So...the topic of much discussion. Perhaps rightly so...the offense. It's not humming, there's no dispute on that. The level of concern, in my view, is the integral question.
I think we can all agree that Martin is a defense first coach. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as there have been successful coaches that fit that profile. But you eventually have to construct a semi-productive offense to maximize your potential.
So.. decided to take a look at several currently successful coaches who fit the defense first profile and look at the progression of their offenses. Several notes:
-this is not a "Martin = ______" excercise.
-i looked at P5 + BE and AAC teams
-excluded blue bloods
-excluded coaches who followed a coach hired away (i.e. retirement or firing of prior coach only)
-included guys I consider successful
-numbers are Pomeroy overall rank, offense efficiency and defensive efficiency
For starters, here's Martin's profile at Mizzou:
Year 1: 40th overall -- 58th off -- 43rd def
Year 2: 68th -- 127th -- 53rd
Year 3: 52nd -- 119th -- 28th
Tony Bennett UVA
Year 1: 76th overall -- 87th off -- 71st Def
Year 2: 103rd -- 159th -- 71st
Year 3: 33rd -- 133rd -- 5th
Year 4: 41st -- 83rd -- 25th
Year 5: 4th -- 27th -- 4th
Matt Painter Purdue
Year 1: 155th overall -- 186th off -- 143rd def
Year 2: 30th -- 76th -- 15th
Year 3: 30th -- 60th -- 16th
Year 4: 18th -- 60th -- 5th
Year 5: 15th -- 65th -- 4th
Year 6: 9th -- 18th -- 8th
Mark Turgeon Maryland
Year 1: 134th overall -- 101st off -- 183rd def
Year 2: 52nd -- 96th -- 31st
Year 3: 43rd -- 101st -- 26th
Year 4: 33rd -- 56th -- 43rd
Year 5: 22nd -- 24th -- 32nd
Bruce Pearl Auburn
Year 1: 139th overall -- 141st off -- 153rd def
Year 2: 189th -- 222nd -- 162nd
Year 3: 82nd -- 54th -- 147th
Year 4: 23rd -- 26th -- 37th
Kevin Willard Seton Hall
Year 1: 59th overall -- 150th off -- 10th def
Year 2: 55th -- 99th -- 31st
Year 3: 117th -- 145th -- 112th
Year 4: 94th -- 112th -- 98th
Year 5: 83rd -- 73rd -- 113th
Year 6: 29th -- 72nd -- 10th
Year 7: 51st -- 84th -- 34th
Year 8: 26th -- 17th -- 42nd
There are a few others who I didn't include for various reasons...Beard (Tubby left for Memphis), Scott Drew (no one can be compared to the Bliss aftermath), Cronin (Kennedy left for ole miss). It's impossible to compare 1v1 each situation, and Mizzou certainly skewed towards the worst of scenarios to walk into.
Regardless, if you really wanted to hone into 3 comparisons, I like Painter, Bennett and Turgeon. All 3 are very good, all 3 produce very good defenses. All had defenses humming well before their offenses. Each took ~5 years to really get their offensive efficiency into the upper echelon. All the while building effective defenses within 2-3 years.
Again, this isn't some manner of saying Martin will get there because those guys did. Simply a timeline of like minded coaches in relatively similar situations.
I think we can all agree that Martin is a defense first coach. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as there have been successful coaches that fit that profile. But you eventually have to construct a semi-productive offense to maximize your potential.
So.. decided to take a look at several currently successful coaches who fit the defense first profile and look at the progression of their offenses. Several notes:
-this is not a "Martin = ______" excercise.
-i looked at P5 + BE and AAC teams
-excluded blue bloods
-excluded coaches who followed a coach hired away (i.e. retirement or firing of prior coach only)
-included guys I consider successful
-numbers are Pomeroy overall rank, offense efficiency and defensive efficiency
For starters, here's Martin's profile at Mizzou:
Year 1: 40th overall -- 58th off -- 43rd def
Year 2: 68th -- 127th -- 53rd
Year 3: 52nd -- 119th -- 28th
Tony Bennett UVA
Year 1: 76th overall -- 87th off -- 71st Def
Year 2: 103rd -- 159th -- 71st
Year 3: 33rd -- 133rd -- 5th
Year 4: 41st -- 83rd -- 25th
Year 5: 4th -- 27th -- 4th
Matt Painter Purdue
Year 1: 155th overall -- 186th off -- 143rd def
Year 2: 30th -- 76th -- 15th
Year 3: 30th -- 60th -- 16th
Year 4: 18th -- 60th -- 5th
Year 5: 15th -- 65th -- 4th
Year 6: 9th -- 18th -- 8th
Mark Turgeon Maryland
Year 1: 134th overall -- 101st off -- 183rd def
Year 2: 52nd -- 96th -- 31st
Year 3: 43rd -- 101st -- 26th
Year 4: 33rd -- 56th -- 43rd
Year 5: 22nd -- 24th -- 32nd
Bruce Pearl Auburn
Year 1: 139th overall -- 141st off -- 153rd def
Year 2: 189th -- 222nd -- 162nd
Year 3: 82nd -- 54th -- 147th
Year 4: 23rd -- 26th -- 37th
Kevin Willard Seton Hall
Year 1: 59th overall -- 150th off -- 10th def
Year 2: 55th -- 99th -- 31st
Year 3: 117th -- 145th -- 112th
Year 4: 94th -- 112th -- 98th
Year 5: 83rd -- 73rd -- 113th
Year 6: 29th -- 72nd -- 10th
Year 7: 51st -- 84th -- 34th
Year 8: 26th -- 17th -- 42nd
There are a few others who I didn't include for various reasons...Beard (Tubby left for Memphis), Scott Drew (no one can be compared to the Bliss aftermath), Cronin (Kennedy left for ole miss). It's impossible to compare 1v1 each situation, and Mizzou certainly skewed towards the worst of scenarios to walk into.
Regardless, if you really wanted to hone into 3 comparisons, I like Painter, Bennett and Turgeon. All 3 are very good, all 3 produce very good defenses. All had defenses humming well before their offenses. Each took ~5 years to really get their offensive efficiency into the upper echelon. All the while building effective defenses within 2-3 years.
Again, this isn't some manner of saying Martin will get there because those guys did. Simply a timeline of like minded coaches in relatively similar situations.
