YAC is modern college offense. Sanders has the entire CFB world raving about him and he’s averaging almost 2 yards less per completion than Cook
FOOTBALL Drink and the QB position
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People forget how many six yard passes Maclin and Danario turned into 60 yard gains
You think coaches recruit QB's to throw 0-5 yard throws to the sideline, all game? Lol.
Oh no the coach who sees QBs play every snap at practice has an opinion about who the best QB is for the program? BIAS
Drink's post-game speeches gushing about how great Brady was personally, and the coments concerning Sam, shows bias. If you all don't think that ego, personality, lack of maturity and pride can't get in the way of making the right decision(s), I don't know what to tell you. It happens everyday and will to the vast majority of people.
You want ego, go look at jimbo. Drink took the offenses failures on the chin and hired an oc. He can be cocky, but it's ridiculous to think that the guy is just some egomaniac. Unfounded opinion. What's with your slobbering over horn, tho?
The offense looked exactly the same as it did last year. If it hadn't been announced that a new O.C. was hired, most people wouldn't have guessed it.
In fairness the qb also hit them in their hands, lead them, had touch. And created massive yac. Last year Cook struggled with short throws with location. If he can hit guys all day in stride, this offense will be boring but fine. Speaking of chase. Remember the TE position. They were downfield threats back in the day.
I'd love to know why Drinkwitz has taken the QB position the way he has from spring practice up until the first game. I'm going to assume it really was an open competition for some time (as he knows Horn has more upside than Cook)... and that at some point Cook took a clear lead over Horn and Garcia.
As Gabe just said, Drinkwitz has approached the last two off=seasons looking for a transfer who could upgrade the QB position. He has obviously missed on just about all of them. I'd love to know his message to those transfers... what he told them as fas as how they'd have to compete with Cook and beat him out or if he was promising some of them a starting job.
I'm assuming the staff sees the difference in arm talent from Cook to Horn (and Garcia). So if Cook has clearly beaten them out at this point (which seems to be the case)... why give Horn a half in game 1 and maybe some more time in game 2?
He knows what he has in Cook... great teammate, great leader, very good runner, tough, committed, knows the offense... a whole bunch of reasons why he's a solid option as a starting QB. To this point, he hasn't been a great passer (though he may still have some growth with a healthy shoulder and a full year of experience).
So if Horn isn't a better option right now... why take your starter out for a full half? I'm guessing there are 2 reasons.
One, while not likely, he is hoping Horn just plays so well in games (better than he has in practice) that he forces his way into the lineup.
Two, he knows this is his best chance to get Horn some live action (while also keeping his family happy during the off-season), with the idea that at some point this season (after getting some live reps and a lot more practice reps), that he can be an option he can turn to if needed (injury or performance).
It seems like a big gamble.. as he has to get this QB decision right and all he has done all off-season and through his comments at the end of Thursday's game is draw more attention to the situation.
As Gabe just said, Drinkwitz has approached the last two off=seasons looking for a transfer who could upgrade the QB position. He has obviously missed on just about all of them. I'd love to know his message to those transfers... what he told them as fas as how they'd have to compete with Cook and beat him out or if he was promising some of them a starting job.
I'm assuming the staff sees the difference in arm talent from Cook to Horn (and Garcia). So if Cook has clearly beaten them out at this point (which seems to be the case)... why give Horn a half in game 1 and maybe some more time in game 2?
He knows what he has in Cook... great teammate, great leader, very good runner, tough, committed, knows the offense... a whole bunch of reasons why he's a solid option as a starting QB. To this point, he hasn't been a great passer (though he may still have some growth with a healthy shoulder and a full year of experience).
So if Horn isn't a better option right now... why take your starter out for a full half? I'm guessing there are 2 reasons.
One, while not likely, he is hoping Horn just plays so well in games (better than he has in practice) that he forces his way into the lineup.
Two, he knows this is his best chance to get Horn some live action (while also keeping his family happy during the off-season), with the idea that at some point this season (after getting some live reps and a lot more practice reps), that he can be an option he can turn to if needed (injury or performance).
It seems like a big gamble.. as he has to get this QB decision right and all he has done all off-season and through his comments at the end of Thursday's game is draw more attention to the situation.
This is the same offense as last year, who could out talent the bad teams and put up numbers, but struggled against good ones (besides breakaway QB runs). People are frustrated because despite trying to shake up everything (bringing in new faces, OC, etc.) this is the same offense and it looked average against South Dakota. In week 1, we see what this offense is going to be able to do with absolute WEAPONS out wide, and it doesn’t give us any optimism.
Is it the same offense because we have captain checkdown at quarterback. That’s the tough part. If you have a weak arm and don’t have confidence in throwing downfield, this is what every offense will look like with a conservative QB.
I don’t believe I just read this and this is your perspective…hmmm ….
The Cuonzo Martin of football.
Don’t worry, the same posters defending Drink like their name is Brady Cook will outright deny it when the next coach comes along
Or say “why are you so stuck on FHCED, he’s no longer here” something along those lines with some ghey acronym.
All without wiping their chin before they start blowing the new guy
He’s no better than a pop Warner coach who put his son at QB to hand the ball off every play.
Doesn't this(his snubbing of Cook and search for another QB) make his put down of Horn, hubris/pounding his chest and overt praise of Cook after the last game even more bizarre?
Calling it a competition, not even making Cook the outright starter for that game till shortly before then playing them the way he did and coming out like I told you so while STILL NOT naming him the starter is the weirdest way I've ever seen a "QB Battle" play out.
It was weird with Robinson and Baze, it was weird with Baze and Cook and now it's weird with Cook and Horn. The weirdest thing is Horn is his recruit and Cook is not.
I'm not saying he's not playing the best guy but the way he manages QBs is the strangest I've ever seen.
And I'm not saying he's handled quarterback well or developed them well enough. Not at all. I'm just talking about this specific situation.
Yep. I think our offense is too conservative, but with the right personnel, it’s not that different from most teams
Some posters seem to not realize that coaches see these guys practice a LOT, AND they actually have scrimmage periods during some practices where each QB gets reps.
These practice periods may not often be full contact, but a lot of it is "full speed" without taking people to the ground.
The coaches have seen Horn and Garcia in "live bullet" situations more than some posters seem to realize, and they have not outperformed Cook. It seems so obvious. Yet ...
Sidenote: This post is from someone who has serious doubts about Drink's ability to win more than 7 or 8 games regardless of great recruiting. I'm not a Drink apologist. But some posts seem to think that he is risking his 6M per year on playing favorites w/o much to go on.
I'm not saying that he's not wrong. I'm saying that Drink is not picking Cook over Horn just because he likes Cook more as a person.
The problem for many fans I think is the thought of having to start over again with a new coach. There seems to be no upside to his offense even though we have talent. If we would have came out and threw long against South Dakota it would have gave me some hope we mean business. We played them as if they were a worthy opponent.
Personally, and especially after Thursday, I have doubts that either QB has the talent to get us more than 6 wins. I thought Cook was ok not great. I was hoping to see a huge leap from Cook or Horn especially against an FCS opponent. But alas Cook was average and Horn was not quite average.
My only concern about your comments is how is practice organized? Do all three QB'S get reps with the first team offense? Didn't you say that the PM staff were only able to see 45 minutes of practice? Or since Drink feels Cook is the best he gets all the first team reps and the second and third string QB's get to work with the two's and three's. This is an honest question that I've never seen asked.
To refute your point what if practice isn't on an even playing field and Horn and Garcia never, or rarely get first teams reps? If that's the case then not sure how it can be determined that both Horn and Garcia got a fair shake and Cook had the upper hand because he got all if not most of the teams reps.
Again I am basing my comments of not knowing how practice is structured and openly admitting so.
I think you're right for a lot posting here. But, Drink is probably going to win 7-ish games this year IMO. That 7-ish win total might be the max for Drink ball. I find that a depressing proposition. It's not just the offensive scheme although that's most obvious. Mistakes, undisciplined penalties, poor performance in the red zone, shaky special teams, these have been pretty consistent trademarks of Drink ball. Add all that to uncreative, un-explosive offense and 7 wins is about all you can hope for.
EDIT ... Having said that, maybe K. Moore has a lot more wrinkles that he had no reason to foreshadow in a 28-3 half against USD. It's one game with KM as the OC and the 1st half wasn't bad at all.
I have no idea if Mizzou will beat Kentucky. We are talking about college kids so who the hell knows. But Kentucky will be favored and barring injury, they should be. Significantly better coach, more accomplished QB (and better if healthy), and playing at home. I’m shocked anyone can look at the drink era and confidently predict a win in Lexington.
And I’m saying Drink doesn’t have the best track record picking a QB coming out of Spring/Fall camp
Ok. I'm fine with people doubting Drink. I don't think he's a good coach. But I do think that Gabe is honestly reporting that more than one person who I assume are close to the program and possibly have eyewitness evidence from observing practices are telling Gabe that the competition between Cook, Horn and Garcia is not particularly close at this point. This I take to mean that it's not just Drink who is of the opinion that Cook is the better choice at this moment.
I'm not sure what evidence the "Horn is better than Cook" believers are basing that opinion on at this point. My .guess is that Horn has a stronger arm and possibly a more accurate arm than Cook under ideal circumstances. But there is a lot more to playing QB and giving your team the best chance to win than having a stronger arm. Argue that he should have been developed better or faster and that makes some sense to me. But, telling me Horn is better now and the coaches and people reporting to Gabe are all wrong based on your hunch or dislike for Cook doesn't hold much weight to me.
I’m old enough to remember people saying the MAC crew would never win and then that GP would never be better than 8-5. Then 2007 happened. Not predicting that for drink just saying putting a ceiling on him at this point is premature
I’ve had conversations with people who indicate that players have more confidence in Horn than Cook.
They’re probably lying to me for no reason though
Did you forget the blue font? I mean are you really advocating to still have Barry Odom as our coach? That guy was beyond awful. Can you even imagine trying to recruit in the age of NIL?
Do these 18 to 23 year olds have their livelihoods and reputations riding on this assessment? Again, I'm not saying Drink, Moore and the staff is right. I am saying that Drink and his staff have every incentive to play the players that give them the best chance to win. They could be wrong, but they have the most riding on making the right call.
Also, there probably isn't a unanimous choice amongst the 80 plus players.
You're right. I said 7-ish wins might be the ceiling for Drink ball. Pepe has taught me to make use of qualifiers though sometimes I forget to do that. I use might in this situation because there could be an outlier here or there. But you are also playing both sides of the fence. with the bolded.
Remember the 3 timeouts on defense at the end of the first half vs Kentucky last year?
That's a tiny example of the kind of stuff that make it hard to beat good teams in close games. It didn't bite them in that case, but if Drink does that in crucial games, eventually ...
From what Gabe is reporting it sounds pretty close to unanimous amongst the adults around the program ... "the competition is not particularly close" ... something close to that is the word that Gabe got from someone who he apparently views as a credible source.
What if what he said about Cook is actually true? What does it tell you that his own teammates voted him captain two years in a row? Chase Daniel spent time with him and said he was the clearly the guy .. said it was impressive. What makes you think it’s just Drink that feels that way?
And why is that a slam at Horn. What did he say to denigrate Horn? I must have missed that. Horn may very well be the next starting QB and may develop into a great team leader himself. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
I've expressed my thoughts on this topic ad nauseam today. I'm frankly tired of it. However, you can look back on what I wrote if you'd like. If not, you're sure to think and feel how you want anyway. We'll all find out very soon the repercussions, if any, of what went down and whether the correct player was chosen. It's football, not life or death. No biggie either way.
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