If Trump is this super racist, fascist, authoritarian POTUS, Why does he have the most support from minorities Among other Republicans
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If you are purchasing and farming yes. If you own the land outright which is so often the case that people do not sell their farm or investors that pay cash and rent the land for appreciation..nope. it's one of the best wealth creators of last several decades.
In the area, I'm in, the same 3 or 4 families are buying up the land. There are very few "young" farmers in our area. The kids who rent out eventually sell to the 3 or 4 families who have continued farming to make a living. This leads to more land being owned by fewer people. I'm not really disagreeing with your example, it's valid. I just think it ends up fewer people owning land, it affects rural areas, negatively, schools, churches, businesses closing, that's all they see. Lot of big houses though, just spread out a little more. How many new businesses, churches and schools have opened up in that rural NW Missouri County? They still playing 11 man football?
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For increasingly fewer people. You're example of people earning a living on 640 acres is total nonsense.
If you mention someone, you should either, reply, quote, or tag, otherwise the post is a sign of cowardice. Again, your proposition that someone could raise a family on 640 acres of land is utter nonsense. You obviously don't understand that currently land more suitable for hunting is starting to catch us with tillable acreage in value fairly dramatically. Please note, I replied to your post, so if you want to keep spouting nonsense, you can, without looking for me. If you follow these simple rules 1)reply 2) quote 3) tag, we might think you're an idiot, but not a coward.
Amazing how grown ups speak to each other social media. I am guilty as well…but when you sit back and read it…pretty amazing….though I doubt most are really serious…A few are. Trump derangement is alive and well.
You are not knowlegeable of the busines or economics. .that 640 acres in Iowa increased by a a third or more in last 3 years. A section woukd be worth on top.of 7.5 million at average values. So in addition to income from lets just say cash rent of 240/ acre X 640 or
153,000 ..cash rent per year with no risk..the value of that Iowa 640 acre farm increased about $2.5 million dollars in last 3 years. Many owners take 1/3 the gross of crop that in good years of price and yield is much better.
Now this is not likely an opportune time to buy land but I've said that for 10 years. ..but as I described those Iowa farms, they are not turning over ownership a lot, usually on death and often not then as family decides to retain sometimes one kid farms and splits incone with others that moved off farm.
It has been one of the best investments since the farm crisis. I bought some very productive tillable land in the late 80s when Willie Nelson was doing farm aid concerts for 600.00 an acre, I added some more tracts in the 90s. I should have bought more. Though not worth the 12,000 avg of Iowa land it is worth north of half of it and has had a cash rent income stream throughout. Anyone that says farmland has not been a great investment for many is wrong. Most of the land is tied up in individuals or families that keep the property so starting from scrat h is not often the case..
If you are talking about efficiency of farming to justify the expense of up to date equipment, yes it is not justified on a smaller tract. But what you don't understand is there are a lot of farmers that might own a smaller acrage but rent a lot of ground as I describe. I have a couple guys, great farmers that each farm lots of acerage that rent ground from me. They own some ground but they farm a whole lot of ground on shares or cash rent. They or their hired people do the farming with up to date equipment,but they hire someone else to combine the beans etc. I would say most of the land around me is 75% farmed by someone other than landowner . Much of the rest is in a couple owners out of state that hire a crew to farm several thousand acres.
I have members of my family who farm in cotton and soybean country. It is true….farmers own some land but usually rent a large number of acres. Often farm a couple thousand acres. My own family…gre up on a family farm…large family…none of us were interested in farming. We rented our 320 acres of land to be farmed. Eventually someone from California made us an offer we could not refuse. Our intention was to never sell. The person who rented from us still farms the land but rents from the California based owner. That farmer farms almost all of the land for miles around our former family farm. He owns only a few hundred acres…farms a couple thousand acres.
Okay, don't get angry because you don't know what you are talking about.
I just quoted you that Iowa farmland AVERAGE was 11,000 an acre. If you are wanting to pay 1/3 that for 300 acres great turkey and deer hunting land in Southern Illinois..lemme know I have a friend with his hills and hollows in southern Illinois adjoining Shawnee forest ..He will.be excited to accomodate you. If you find some 11,000 $ unimproved hunting land in the Ozarks please TAG me. I will show you a property that is not going to sell.
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Just admit you don't know anything about farming communities or the economics. No big deal
I understand this, all these points are valid. But, you also said all you need is a section of land, that's not true. You need to be farming at least 2500 acres to have a change of providing for a family. Many farmers own some and rent a lot. The better model is to own a lot, not many can afford to do that.
You're the one calling people fvkng morons, etc., not me. I just disagree with your statement a competent farmer can raise a family on 640 acres of farmland. Doesn't take much to tick you off apparently. You're a good guy, just got caught up in the moment. I can have that affect people. I get it.
You're not that bad. You should post more often. You have a right to believe what you believe. But, in my opinion TDS doesn't exist after observing Trump for four years, watching his unhinged rants the last four, his courtroom behavior/strategies, I don't think TDS exists. It's called evaluation through observation. He doesn't have the leadership skills which this country needs at the present time. He's incapable of being a competent President and building coalitions that are needed to move an agenda forward, not only nationally but within his own party. Lawfare didn't get Trump in the mess he's in. Donald Trump's actions did. When targeted, he wasn't smart enough to figure a way out. We need better strategical judgement than what he's shown he's capable of.
This started about you. Claiming iowa was like Missouri in its farming community as far as politics/demographics. I know it is not but you continued wanting a pissing contest. You added "raise a family" recently . You can do any damn thing you want if you own 600 acres or 400 acres of Iowa farmland outright. 100 to 150 k a year ..easy breezy. The land under your feet is worth millions.
Most of those 400 acre farms are farmed by someone renting the land or the owner of that tract in fewer cases is farming his own and renting other ground. One of the guys renting mine has a farm a couple miles from me and has probably 3 acres of sheds barns and fenced outside area for equipment. I have no idea how much land he farms but i know he farms two 1/2 sections on our road . So anyone owning 400 to 640 acres of average farmland certainly can quite easily support any family if they own the farm outright.
Now rave on I am done educating you
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You probably didn’t catch the funny part of your statement.
At least I taught you, one can't raise a family on 640 acres, that idea passed around 1974, when you were 40.
Easy if you own the farm today young man, you can clip coupons and make a great living. it was a lot harder in 1974 ..you had to work it and hope “the beans will make it” and price of hogs or cattle didn’t tank. $ 1.50 corn and $3.00 soybeans made for small margins .
It’s funny you picked that time frame for how easy it was to make a living. In the early 70s inflation was going crazy. Nixon doing his best democrat socialist imitation decided to put on wage price controls. So these were put on in the spring of one year and were to go off in the fall. Prices of other stuff not controlled kept going up. Farmers were holding their fat cattle..those to be slaughtered off the market and kept feeding them, waiting for the price control to go off. Same with hogs, farmers did not want to take them to market till that price control went off. Farmers kept their grain and bought more hogs or calves to feed. In the 70s most Iowa and north Missouri farms had a hog operation and often a cow calf or fed cattle as well as raised crops. They doubled down expecting big returns. The futures for delivery after the date the lifting of price controls were really high and kept going up daily.There were no controls on feeder cattle ..those young cattle sold to go onto feedlots. Or feeder pigs.. just “fat”animals those going to slaughter.
Grain prices were high at the time but people were still paying huge prices for feeder calves to go to feedlots or be fed out on farm operations.
People like meme traders began commodity trading, especially those around the livestock industry. The paper money made in futures caused more interest and higher prices.
So those lucky farmers/ranchers of the 70s that year that kept their fat cattle and hogs off the slaughter market and those that bought feeder calves were licking their chops to see how high prices would go when the caps were removed. The next day when caps were removed fat cattle prices fell $20.00/cwt below what the price control top was, confounding everyone. Huge runs of over fat cattle and hogs had to come to market and prices dropped further. Those futures that many people had no business buying, but did, dropped the limit every day for many days, leading to margin calls, you can’t sell if there are no buyers and can only go down the limit before pits/ markets were closed. bankrupting many. Those that bought feeder cattle that were fed and sold over the next year lost an average of $200per head. It was an absolute debacle that caused many farms to go under.
Owning a mostly tillable farm these days whether a family or a couple, that is paid for is a no brainer way to make a living. Easier than ever. Purchasing land and equipment to begin farming is impossible. It was not in the 70s. But it was a very iffy dangerous business. The common saying was the way to make a small fortune in farming was to start with a big one.
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I raised cattle in the 70's put me through college. We sold cattle every year and made a ton of money doing it. The farm crisis was in the late 70's- 80's, by then, I'd moved on and we rented our farm out, before selling in 2007, at a price higher than what the average of 11K per acre is in Iowa today. Location means a lot in land values, our farm was in Missouri.
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No the cattle. Debacle from Nixon's price controls that I referred to was in the early 70s . Inflation was taking off. The guns and butter of Viet Nam and the Great Society spending had worked its way into in f nation of wages and prices. The arab oil embargo hit.
You probably had a cow calf operation and were not selling fat cattle or buying feeder cattle to feed out. My folks sold a dairy farm and moved to town a few years before that. My dad was in the livestock commission business . His customers would ship their cattle to the stock yards and there were several "commission firms" that would represent the owner and sell their cattle to various packers, and handle the transaction. Two days a week their were auctions one for feeder cattle and a mixed sale . Those that kept the fat cattle too far til the price control went off lost a bunch from feeding a lot of expensive feed 2 or 3 months longer than they should have and taking much lower prices than everyone predicted. As they withheld the cattle from market there were shortages but price was controlled. When all these hit the matket when cap came off ..the bottom went out from under the market and price dropped by 20 -25% . Those that had loaded up in feeder calves and put them in a feedlot lost a ton. A partner of my dad's had purchased about 600 feeders over the time controls were on at the historic high price for them and put in a western Kansas feedlot . He was not a young guy, not wealthy but okay for the time but he ended up bankrupt losing about $200/head It was easy to borrow the funds if you had decent credit to buy cattle to feed out.
In the 5 story exchange building at the stockyards there was a bank and a commodities broker in the lobby. The Hertz Commodities office was always somewhat busy but it was crazy busy as the futures prices went through the roof for both fat cattle and feeders. That wiped out a lot of folks as well. It was a disaster for the cattle industry. And it caused a ripple in that years cow calf operation because the price dropped precipitously. Nobody was real interested in feeding more cattle that next year if they were solvent.
A lot of cows came to market of folks being squeezed by higher interest and lower prices. We bought some young cows from the mixed sale, most coming to go to slaughter that were in various stages of pregnancy. There was not much appetite for increasing cow herds and many went out of business. We rented some stalk fields to run on that winter and some pasture the next summer. We did well because of low cost. . But there was a big washout in the business and a shortage developed and sent beef prices higher again for a while.
Crop prices were high so as long as they didnt feed their own cattle or hogs (many did and got nicked) they did great. And of course the next decade that you mentioned went from boom to bust in the crop farming industry and many lost their farms then. Recall the Farm aid concerts and cheap farmland prices. Many had kept buying land during high crop prices as land went up in value and interest rates also skyrocketed . They were paper rich and rolling.,,until it stopped. Commodity prices dropped below cost of production. The high interest rates on loans for land equipment and loans to put in the crop resulted in huge losses and the once rosy picture went to hell. Foreclosures and bankruptcies were common. That was the Farm Aid Willy Nelson concert stuff for several years of bad times . Feeding cattle ironically benefitted from high cattle prices with fewer cattle due to many quitting business earlier and low feed costs. So the consumer still got relatively high prices.(unless you go to meat counter now)
Anyway 2 different debacles I was talking about the Nixon price control disaster for cattle industry in early 70s. My point was it was not "easy"to support a family on 400 acres in the 70s or 80s. If you owned it outright and didn't get greedy expanding or feeding cattle, you did fine. Today if you own that same 400 mostly good tillable acres outright are pretty wealthy and just renting the land and running a cow calf operation on some pasture, you will be in great shape . Those that bought land in late 80s and 90s though rates were relatively high but the appreciation has been quite nice.
Your family if got those prices likeky benefitted from urban sprawl. There's a dairy farmer I know well that has been offered more money than any farm is worth. It's on Interstate exchange with shopping centers and housing developments all along. His kids will sell that in a heartbeat. When going to Mizzou I spent a couple years at Tiger Village. The cattle on a big farm would wake you up from across Stadium where all the shopping centers are now. That family prolly owns an island or two.
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"If you don't vote for me then you ain't Black"
On Integration "I don't want my kids going to a racial jungle"
This proves he is a racist!
Sadly these words are usually hidden by the "Media" due to them spoken by Joseph R Biden. America's Fearless Leader
On Integration "I don't want my kids going to a racial jungle"
This proves he is a racist!
Sadly these words are usually hidden by the "Media" due to them spoken by Joseph R Biden. America's Fearless Leader
That's why you don't remember it too well perhaps . that is from weaning to selling to go to feedlot, so primarily grass. I still do that a bit. If you sold before the caps were removed..it was Sept or Oct, you made out great.. if you sold after the caps, they brought less than you paid for them as small calves .
Far more susceptible to fear mongering propaganda.
Than lefties claiming democracy is on the ballot ..and then by one elected Democrat official in 2 states and a handful of unelected democrats in another state attempted to keep a person that is leading their democrat weak leader in polls off the ballot?
I think the "end of democracy" fear mongering propaganda requires the most gullible of goobers to buy in.
It wont matter if trump declares himself a dictator day one and says he will be in office til he dies. You will still deny the reality of what is actually happening.
Like I said. You lefties take the gold for gullibility.
interesting that you don't believe TDS exists. You and several of your cohorts call anyone that agrees with any Trumps policies MAGA. Think about that for a minute. Define MAGA, because most votes for Trump in 2024 will not come from people who consider themselves MAGA. I try not to use TDS, even though it is as prevalent as MAGA. Trump is polarizing, even more so than Biden. Would really enjoy hearing your definition of MAGA.
I can only speak from my own experience. I personally know 3 people from Viet Nam, including my daughter in law of 10 years. They are all college educated and immigrated hear legally as high school foreign exchange students. They understand perfectly the need for immigration reform. They also oppose amnesty for those whom have come here illegally.
It really doesn't matter if you don't label yourself MAGA. Liberals like to be called Progressives. They're not, they're Liberals. Meanwhile, the definition of MAGA is one who supports Trump. You had plenty of other choices this year, Christie, Haley, DeSantis, Hutchinson, others, but you supported the Leader Donald Trump. Trump is MAGA. Therefore, by supporting Trump you are a MAGA. Pretty simple.
Simple minds give simple answers. Would be like saying that anyone that votes for Biden has TDS. There will only be 2 real choices in November. Choose your poison. I agree with Bill Barr. Trump is Russian roulette and Biden is national suicide.
Are you trans-MAGA? Trying to identify as something other than what you are?
You put a frowny face on anything that mocks Christian nationalism. Are you actually favoring Christian nationalism? Or feel attacking it attacks Christianity?
The duck test applies here. Not what you believe.
I'm beginning to think some nun rapped Dream's knuckles one too many times or the Church Lady turned him down for a date.
Most supposed mocking Christianism is an attack on people of faith. I ACTUALLY believe in freedom of religion. You have stated a strong alliance with monks and Buddhists. I don't believe what you believe, but would defend your rights. I am a disciple of Christ. Unapologetic about my faith. trans-MAGA lol
I defend all and their rights to believe.
Christian nationalists do not. They may not even like your brand of Christianity.
“I do not believe that I could understand our Christian faith the way I understand it if it were not for the light of Buddhism“
Thomas Merton.
Are you always this dramatic? Big Bill Barr was a Trump enabler until he finally discovered what an imbecile Donald is. Biden vs. Trump, the choice is easy. Chaos vs. normalcy. Normalcy has been good for this country overall. Donald Trump hasn't been.
Christian nationalism is a political movement which uses religion to support an extreme and racist political ideology. It has nothing to do with believing the Gospels or following the Ways of Christ. It needs to be exposed and condemned wherever it's promoted.
"Christian nationalist" in democratese "A Christian that doesn't believe in leftist ideology or the ancient fossil they worship that angrily screams at the audience during a ceremonial address to the nation."
From the leftists at Christianity Today, publication founded by Billy Graham, a noted leftist and Communist sympathizer. A article accurately describing Christian Nationalism. Being a proud recipient of a Terminal Degree, I'm sure you will want to be educated on the subject by reading the entire article, I'll give you the short version after the tag (if you prefer):
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/february-web-only/what-is-christian-nationalism.html
In short, Christian Nationalism is a political movement which uses religion to achieve worldly political goals. It naturally trends toward a racist ideology as many CN leaders promote our Anglo/Christian heritage and attempts to promote CN. Christian Nationalist naturally view people of other cultures and religions as second class citizens.
Here's another good article on the subject from another leftist Baptist Pastor.
I attended the educational event on Thursday in KCMO. I thought maybe 30 people would show up. A crowd of 150-200 were there, monthly events are scheduled the third Thursday of every month April through October. The first will be on the Country Club Plaza April 18 @ noon and then at various locations throughout the metropolitan area, all start @ noon. All people are welcome. I anticipate Donald Trump, possibly his VP nominee and most local GOP politicians to participate.
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Nah, I’ll know a bad guy same as I would a leftie when I meet one. Peddle your conspiracy theories though. I’m sure it’s been extremely effective for you.
