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I don't think they would take the dumpster fire that is Missouri football right now, but I think the new AD has to at least call: Petrino, Briles and Les Miles.

I'm sure there would be a swell of big money donations to step up to help cover the huge contract that would be required.

That is the only way this gets better.

J
 
Maybe the thought of sticking it to the piggies every year would help entice Petrino.

J
 
I don't think they would take the dumpster fire that is Missouri football right now, but I think the new AD has to at least call: Petrino, Briles and Les Miles.

I'm sure there would be a swell of big money donations to step up to help cover the huge contract that would be required.

That is the only way this gets better.

J

Petrino isn't leaving Louisville. Go read the other thread about it. A simple summary: Louisville has comparable facilities, an easier path to a playoff and pays him almost $4 million a year, plus a $10 million buyout.

Miles: He recruited well at LSU because Louisiana routinely craps out 10 elite recruits a year, eight of whom wind up in Baton Rouge, where fan support and facilities far outstrip our own. Put another way, how well will Les recruit without those built in advantages? And with all that talent, he still couldn't produce a competent offense.

Briles: No. Too much risk that the slow drip continues and really lands him in hot water. And I realize people are cynical and emphasize winning, but what he did is ethically and morally callow. He put winning above the safety of women on his campus. Couch it however you want, or talk about how it's his job to partially take the side of his players. It's bunk. He and his staff shielded individuals who shouldn't have been anywhere near a college campus.

So, you have: A coach who won't come here, one who's past his prime and another who is ethically toxic.
 
Petrino isn't leaving Louisville. Go read the other thread about it. A simple summary: Louisville has comparable facilities, an easier path to a playoff and pays him almost $4 million a year, plus a $10 million buyout.

Miles: He recruited well at LSU because Louisiana routinely craps out 10 elite recruits a year, eight of whom wind up in Baton Rouge, where fan support and facilities far outstrip our own. Put another way, how well will Les recruit without those built in advantages? And with all that talent, he still couldn't produce a competent offense.

Briles: No. Too much risk that the slow drip continues and really lands him in hot water. And I realize people are cynical and emphasize winning, but what he did is ethically and morally callow. He put winning above the safety of women on his campus. Couch it however you want, or talk about how it's his job to partially take the side of his players. It's bunk. He and his staff shielded individuals who shouldn't have been anywhere near a college campus.

So, you have: A coach who won't come here, one who's past his prime and another who is ethically toxic.
Well said, plus I believe Odom will turn it around.
 
It's time to realize that this is Barry Odom's first year as a college football head coach, and only his 2nd as a coordinator or higher in a power 5 conference.

It's effectively like bringing a A ball pitcher up as your ace.

It's going to take multiple years of trial and error before he has the requisite experience to compete at an average level. Until then, get used to more performances like we've seen thus far.
 
The reality is, the team is what the team is at this point. We may see some improvement, but the coaches seem to be using these games as an audition for next year so they can see where they need to focus additional attention in recruiting.

There really isn't any reason to get overly worked up. I have faith in Barry Odom and have no doubt next year will be better, perhaps much better.
 
The reality is, the team is what the team is at this point. We may see some improvement, but the coaches seem to be using these games as an audition for next year so they can see where they need to focus additional attention in recruiting.

I've got that answer. Find as many as you can that can play. Worry about where later.
 
I will say this again, If Bama had that mind set, they would have fired Nick Saban after his first year.
Completely absurd comparison. When hired at Bama, Saban had already been a HC at two D1 universities, had won a national title at LSU and had been a HC in the NFL. Odom not so much.
 
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Completely absurd comparison. When hired at Bama, Saban had already been a HC at two D1 universities, had won a national title at LSU and had been a HC in the NFL. Odom not so much.

Who would you guess had more talent? That first Saban bama team or us this year?
 
Nick Saban went 9-2 his first year as HC.

Food for thought.

At Toledo. What do you think about his years at Michigan State? What about his first year at Alabama?

And it's not like there are guys of Saban's caliber just waiting for jobs to pop open. And if there's even one Saban out there and Sterk knows it, what's the pitch?
 
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Completely absurd comparison. When hired at Bama, Saban had already been a HC at two D1 universities, had won a national title at LSU and had been a HC in the NFL. Odom not so much.
Bama v. Mizzou comparrison as well.

Odom has to drain the swamp first.
 
G Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L T Streak Notes
1
Sep 8, 1990 Sat Toledo @ Miami (OH) MAC W 20 14 1 0 0 W 1
2 Sep 15, 1990 Sat Toledo Northern Illinois Ind W 23 14 2 0 0 W 2
3 Sep 22, 1990 Sat Toledo @ Ball State MAC W 28 16 3 0 0 W 3
4 Sep 29, 1990 Sat Toledo @ Ohio MAC W 27 20 4 0 0 W 4
5 Oct 6, 1990 Sat Toledo Eastern Michigan MAC W 37 23 5 0 0 W 5
6 Oct 13, 1990 Sat Toledo Bowling Green State MAC W 19 13 6 0 0 W 6
7 Oct 20, 1990 Sat Toledo @ Central Michigan MAC L 12 13 6 1 0 L 1
8 Oct 27, 1990 Sat Toledo Kent State MAC W 28 14 7 1 0 W 1
9 Nov 3, 1990 Sat Toledo @ Western Michigan MAC W 37 9 8 1 0 W 2
10 Nov 10, 1990 Sat Toledo Navy Ind L 10 14 8 2 0 L 1
11 Nov 17, 1990 Sat Toledo Arkansas State Ind W 43 28 9 2 0 W 1
 
Should they fire a coach every year in which they are mediocre or worse? Tell him he has 11 months to get it right or he is out?
It depends on the situation, Gabe. If a coach steps into a situation in which a team hasn't had a winning season in a decade and was winless the prior couple of years, of course not.

But that's not the case here. Odom inherited a team that had double-digit wins in 2 of the previous 3 seasons and went to the SEC championship game twice. They even won 5 games and narrowly missed a bowl the previous year. And this year, they're likely to equal the all-time record worst season in Mizzou history. In that case, the AD can make a cogent case that the new HC isn't making progress and it's time to cut losses.
 
Is Michigan St not committed to winning this year?

Enourmous difference. Dontonio has a history of excellence and has earned a bad year or two. Odom has zero.

Odom was an incredibly risky hire. He had zero experience as a head coach and very limited experience as a coordinator at a mid level team.

J
 
Enourmous difference. Dontonio has a history of excellence and has earned a bad year or two. Odom has zero.

Odom was an incredibly risky hire. He had zero experience as a head coach and very limited experience as a coordinator at a mid level team.

J

Huge difference. Granted. But you agree with the idea of firing a HC after one year?
 
Petrino isn't leaving Louisville. Go read the other thread about it. A simple summary: Louisville has comparable facilities, an easier path to a playoff and pays him almost $4 million a year, plus a $10 million buyout.

Miles: He recruited well at LSU because Louisiana routinely craps out 10 elite recruits a year, eight of whom wind up in Baton Rouge, where fan support and facilities far outstrip our own. Put another way, how well will Les recruit without those built in advantages? And with all that talent, he still couldn't produce a competent offense.

Briles: No. Too much risk that the slow drip continues and really lands him in hot water. And I realize people are cynical and emphasize winning, but what he did is ethically and morally callow. He put winning above the safety of women on his campus. Couch it however you want, or talk about how it's his job to partially take the side of his players. It's bunk. He and his staff shielded individuals who shouldn't have been anywhere near a college campus.

So, you have: A coach who won't come here, one who's past his prime and another who is ethically toxic.
Don't call him because mjharr says he won't come?

Don't ask that girl out because Bill says she'll say no?
 
Should they fire a coach every year in which they are mediocre or worse? Tell him he has 11 months to get it right or he is out?
No, they should have hired a coach that had head coaching experience and cut all ties with existing staff. He is If you can't see he is in over his head you are blind. You don't stand pat when you can see it right in front of you.
Is Michigan St not committed to winning this year?
Apples and Oranges, but don't be surprised if Dantonio leaves after this season. I think 5-7 years is the sweet spot for coaches. I wouldn't be surprised if Saban goes to Texas.
 
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Should they fire a coach every year in which they are mediocre or worse? Tell him he has 11 months to get it right or he is out?

Correct,this isn't Auburn where they can do what they want and still get a decent coach. But,I would take Petrino over the other guys on the OPs list. I don't like the guy but he wins every place he ends up save Atlanta.

What about Charlie Strong? He built up Louisville from the scrap heap. His hands are tied in Texas so have to take his time there with a grain.
 
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No, they should have hired a coach that had head coaching experience and cut all ties with existing staff. He is If you can't see he is in over his head you are blind. You don't stand pat when you can see it right in front of you.

You would cut all existing recruiting ties?
 
Odom was the least risky hire available to us.

We know each other. He's no idiot. This year is reaping what was sowed by GP.

No guarantee Barry is the guy, nor was there for Dykes or the other B-minus listers willing to take our gig. If we move on, this quickly, the list will be worse.
 
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Huge difference. Granted. But you agree with the idea of firing a HC after one year?

Probably. But, not if it's possible to get a proven difference maker. I acknowledge that the odds of getting one of the three are small, but the call still has to be made. What I didn't like was the hiring of Odom to begin with. Way too much risk for not enough reward.

I like the guy and hope he has a statue built in 20 years, but I just care about result. Missouri has the worst revenue sports in not only the SEC, but all of power 5 athletics. It's a joke. In fact, I can't think of a worst period by a university in general than the two year stretch Missouri is on.

A lot of that is due to sh!t leadership all the way around the University.

J
 
If we're going to have a coaching thread, maybe start with DC? At least that's a legit possible opening at this point.
I don't know. If we fire our DC after only one year of failure, how would we ever get anyone else willing to take the job?
 
Probably. But, not if it's possible to get a proven difference maker. I acknowledge that the odds of getting one of the three are small, but the call still has to be made. What I didn't like was the hiring of Odom to begin with. Way too much risk for not enough reward.

I like the guy and hope he has a statue built in 20 years, but I just care about result. Missouri has the worst revenue sports in not only the SEC, but all of power 5 athletics. It's a joke. In fact, I can't think of a worst period by a university in general than the two year stretch Missouri is on.

A lot of that is due to sh!t leadership all the way around the University.

J

Firing a football coach after one year doesn't fix univ leadership or fix basketball

All it does is tell the next coach that he's only got one year. Which makes it impossible to hire anyone worth a flip.
 
Odom was the least risky hire available to us.

We know each other. He's no idiot. This year is reaping what was sowed by GP.

No guarantee Barry is the guy, nor was there for Dykes or the other B-minus listers willing to take our gig. If we move on, this quickly, the list will be worse.

Naw, man. Haven't you heard we can make a play for Briles or Petrino? There might even be another Saban out there. Just hire them. Boom. Done. Hell, let's hire Briles and make Bobby our OC.
 
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It depends on the situation, Gabe. If a coach steps into a situation in which a team hasn't had a winning season in a decade and was winless the prior couple of years, of course not.

But that's not the case here. Odom inherited a team that had double-digit wins in 2 of the previous 3 seasons and went to the SEC championship game twice. They even won 5 games and narrowly missed a bowl the previous year. And this year, they're likely to equal the all-time record worst season in Mizzou history. In that case, the AD can make a cogent case that the new HC isn't making progress and it's time to cut losses.[/QUOT

How could they equal the all time worst season in history? Don't just make up crap.
 
I don't know. If we fire our DC after only one year of failure, how would we ever get anyone else willing to take the job?

I know that's sarcasm to make a point about making a change at the top. But the reality is, that doesn't happen except under extraordinary circumstances. Coordinators, on the other hand, are pretty much year-to-year hires (if I understand that correctly), so it's not the same at all.

Coordinators get scapegoated all the time. Ask Heupel about how things went down at OU. And there's actual reason to call Cross's job into question (top 10 to bottom 10 D in a year, in over his head, players don't like him, etc). If he gets fired, it's harsh, but people would get it.
 
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It depends on the situation, Gabe. If a coach steps into a situation in which a team hasn't had a winning season in a decade and was winless the prior couple of years, of course not.

But that's not the case here. Odom inherited a team that had double-digit wins in 2 of the previous 3 seasons and went to the SEC championship game twice. They even won 5 games and narrowly missed a bowl the previous year. And this year, they're likely to equal the all-time record worst season in Mizzou history. In that case, the AD can make a cogent case that the new HC isn't making progress and it's time to cut losses.

Exactly.

J
 
I don't think they would take the dumpster fire that is Missouri football right now, but I think the new AD has to at least call: Petrino, Briles and Les Miles.

I'm sure there would be a swell of big money donations to step up to help cover the huge contract that would be required.

That is the only way this gets better.

J
AGREED...this is a huge opp for the Tiger, we need to jump on Miles or Briles (I like Briles)...sorry can't tolerate Petrino, but no doubt the guy knows how to win...WKU on the map since he came and went.
 
AGREED...this is a huge opp for the Tiger, we need to jump on Miles or Briles (I like Briles)...sorry can't tolerate Petrino, but no doubt the guy knows how to win...WKU on the map since he came and went.

So you can ethically tolerate Bobby but not Art. Interesting.

Also. None of these guys are coaching here next year.
 
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