Sell Me on Monken

[Rasmus Peterson]

Because I’m just not understanding the fascination right now. And if certain plugged in posters are to be believed, he’s near the top of Sterk’s list.

He’s never run anything but the triple option
He’s hasn’t recruited real FBS athletes in a decade.
He doesn’t have the experience having to work with big time donors, and the back room side of college football.


What he does:

Makes his players sit up straight, shave their face, and comb their hair.

Right now I’m just seeing Kim Anderson 2.0. And the same OWGs supporting him.

 

[nqhbass]

No, straight garbage hire

 

[SpikesDown6]

Now, I don’t like the hire, but I will say as a 30 year old millennial, I think a properly run triple option is one of the more poetic things in football. That said, it doesn’t win you many games against good teams.

 

[Rasmus Peterson]

Now, I don’t like the hire, but I will say as a 30 year old millennial, I think a properly run triple option is one of the more poetic things in football. That said, it doesn’t win you many games against good teams.

With the right athletes, it’s unstoppable in NCAA 14

 

[billkent]

Stop comparing every coach you don’t like to Kim Anderson. Kim might be the worst P5 coaching hire of all time (in revenue sports.)

I wouldn’t be over the moon about a guy like Monken, but he’s a real Division 1 coach.

 

[Rasmus Peterson]

Stop comparing every coach you don’t like to Kim Anderson. Kim might be the worst P5 coaching hire of all time (in revenue sports.)

I wouldn’t be over the moon about a guy like Monken, but he’s a real Division 1 coach.

I’m just pointing out why certain posters like him. It’s the same crowd.

 

[JT_Mizzou]

If you run the triple option well you can win 6-8 per year with regularity and never see 10.

 

[SpikesDown6]

With the right athletes, it’s unstoppable in NCAA 14

Zone read with Oregon was a glitch. I’m convinced of it.

 

[TigerCruise]

No to Academy guys.

 

[smoke_stack]

There’s absolutely nothing exciting or sexy about Monken. That’s a dud of a hire from an already apathetic fan base.

 

[bobby_hill]

No to Academy guys.

Lol they’re not gonna run the triple option in the sec. they’re ceo guys

 

[TigerCruise]

Lol they’re not gonna run the triple option in the sec. they’re ceo guys

More about recruiting and having no experience in the SEC.

 

[dsmtigerfan]

Because I’m just not understanding the fascination right now. And if certain plugged in posters are to be believed, he’s near the top of Sterk’s list.

He’s never run anything but the triple option
He’s hasn’t recruited real FBS athletes in a decade.
He doesn’t have the experience having to work with big time donors, and the back room side of college football.


What he does:

Makes his players sit up straight, shave their face, and comb their hair.

Right now I’m just seeing Kim Anderson 2.0. And the same OWGs supporting him.

No one would ever want to steal him away!

 

[bobby_hill]

More about recruiting and having no experience in the SEC.

Yeah but I don’t think it’s as big worry, they’d have the right guys in place to win games

 

[TigerCruise]

Yeah but I don’t think it’s as big worry, they’d have the right guys in place to win games

Based on what?

 

[RichTiger]

Monken an older model ford that will get you where you are going but end up breaking down on the way to the party. ----- Kiffin the Ferrari that can take you to the party in style!

 

[bobby_hill]

Based on what?

Common sense. I’m not advocating them but it’s obvious they’re damn good coaches

 

[STL26]

Because I’m just not understanding the fascination right now. And if certain plugged in posters are to be believed, he’s near the top of Sterk’s list.

He’s never run anything but the triple option
He’s hasn’t recruited real FBS athletes in a decade.
He doesn’t have the experience having to work with big time donors, and the back room side of college football.


What he does:

Makes his players sit up straight, shave their face, and comb their hair.

Right now I’m just seeing Kim Anderson 2.0. And the same OWGs supporting him.

How about you do a better job of selling to the board how you’re not an idiot

 

[Rasmus Peterson]

How about you do a better job of selling to the board how you’re not an idiot

OK Boomer

 

[cybertyger]

In 11 years at Ga Tech Paul Johnson eon 11,10,9,9. Too 15 finish couple times. Beat Georgia 3 times. More success than GP.

 

[Fort80]

I think Sterk realizes he needs a hire that will energize the fanbase at least somewhat. For that reason I just refuse to believe this will be his hire.

 

[TigerCruise]

In 11 years at Ga Tech Paul Johnson eon 11,10,9,9. Too 15 finish couple times. Beat Georgia 3 times. More success than GP.

Issue is it would take years to get the right personnel to run it.

 

[the mighty yehti]

Monken was asked by a reporter following the game against Rice (which they won) if Army had to shake to rust off since they didn’t win by a large margin. Monken said 80 of the 85 kids on Rice’s team were offered by Army. None of the players on Army were offered by Rice... He has taken a team full of players Rice didn’t even want to Michigan and Oklahoma and almost beat them...

I found the article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ml...-every-one-on-one-matchup.html?outputType=amp

 

[yourminebender]

He wins at Army. Pretty sure his team would have beaten ours this year with lesser players. The Kim Anderson comp is ridiculous.
Traits I want:
Coach the players up
Instill toughness and a mad desire to win
Instill in the players an all in belief in the system
Recruiter
Of those, recruiter is yet to be determined of Monken, but if we think we are going to get a guy who pulls in top 10 classes, then we are fooling ourselves. Gimme a guy who can pull in a top 25 class and add the other traits, then that is the guy for us.

 

[cybertyger]

Grew up watching OU and Jeff City on Friday Nights. Beautiful thing when executed. Have to tackle the balk 3 times.

 

[amhorrell]

He’s not Barry Odom

 

[TigerinKansas]

First of all, I hated the Kim hire from the start yet Monken is high on my list. My brother is a West Point grad so I follow Army football. What he's done at Army has been absolutely remarkable. Army was the forgotten academy until he took over. And though this year was a step back, I think next year they'll bounce right back if he were to remain. When watching his teams, I think about what he can do with the right guys - which would be critical to land for his system to work. As others have said, it really is a thing of beauty when it's run properly. It's risky - I think all the concerns are valid - but I'd love it. If it worked, I think he'd really endure a lot of fan loyalty. But I get the concerns. But he's not Kim.

 

[dennyb64]

I got nothing. He might be good coach. If we hire him I will be optimistic.

 

[coachpadg]

Monken is not a Kim Anderson kind of dude. I don’t know him personally but he played in college with two friends of mine and is related to a guy from Belleville. His uncle was a long time high school coach at Assumption High School in East St. Louis. They rave about the guy and his football knowledge and what a cool guy he was in college and is now. So, I don’t believe he is the tuck your shirt in or you are off the team kind of guy. He also is smart enough about football to know that the triple option will be a tough sell in the SEC.

His college coach was notorious for running the ball at all times. His friends and teammates I work with do the same. I think he’s a run heavy coach because that is what he knows.

That being said, can he recruit guys to make a difference at Mizzou? I don’t know... but damn, he recruited players to Army and won with them, and that’s not easy.

I know for a fact that a heavy hitter among our donors is in favor of hiring him. I have no idea if he is interested. Again, I don’t know him personally.

I will say this, was Gary Pinkel the sexy hire like Lane Kiffin back in the day? That obviously worked out.

 

[yourminebender]

It wouldn't take years to bring in the personnel. Run an Auburn style option. You've got Robinson and some backs right now. If anthing, it would help the o line because a defensive lineman is unblocked, allowing for double teams and better angles. Bringing in a spread guy would take years to get personnel. The receiving core can't get open or catch now.

 

[Rasmus Peterson]

He’s not Barry Odom

First of all, I hated the Kim hire from the start yet Monken is high on my list. My brother is a West Point grad so I follow Army football. What he's done at Army has been absolutely remarkable. Army was the forgotten academy until he took over. And though this year was a step back, I think next year they'll bounce right back if he were to remain. When watching his teams, I think about what he can do with the right guys - which would be critical to land for his system to work. As others have said, it really is a thing of beauty when it's run properly. It's risky - I think all the concerns are valid - but I'd love it. If it worked, I think he'd really endure a lot of fan loyalty. But I get the concerns. But he's not Kim.

Monken is not a Kim Anderson kind of dude. I don’t know him personally but he played in college with two friends of mine and is related to a guy from Belleville. His uncle was a long time high school coach at Assumption High School in East St. Louis. They rave about the guy and his football knowledge and what a cool guy he was in college and is now. So, I don’t believe he is the tuck your shirt in or you are off the team kind of guy. He also is smart enough about football to know that the triple option will be a tough sell in the SEC.

His college coach was notorious for running the ball at all times. His friends and teammates I work with do the same. I think he’s a run heavy coach because that is what he knows.

That being said, can he recruit guys to make a difference at Mizzou? I don’t know... but damn, he recruited players to Army and won with them, and that’s not easy.

I know for a fact that a heavy hitter among our donors is in favor of hiring him. I have no idea if he is interested. Again, I don’t know him personally.

I will say this, was Gary Pinkel the sexy hire like Lane Kiffin back in the day? That obviously worked out.

All good posts. I’ll support any coach that Mizzou hires until they show me they’re not the man for the job.

I guess the biggest concern with Monken is the fear of the unknown. Will he be able to adapt and overcome the transition to the SEC? If he does bring the option (which I’m not completely against), how long will it take to get the players in place? My concern is that it has to be a 5 year minimum tenure to get things going. The first 3 of which we may have a losing record.

 

[MizzouDJ]

Stop comparing every coach you don’t like to Kim Anderson. Kim might be the worst P5 coaching hire of all time (in revenue sports.)

I wouldn’t be over the moon about a guy like Monken, but he’s a real Division 1 coach.

Comparing anyone to the Kim Anderson hiring absolutely needs to stop. It's incomparable because it was unprecedentedly bad, given his experience and how the game changed, etc. Everyone could see it coming. Just all out horrible. The only thing it would be comparable to is hiring a guy straight from D2 who had not even been an assistant coach in D1 for 20 years and ran some antiquated system and could only recruit a bunch of FCS level guys and a very occasional three star, all the while going 1-11 or 2-10 every season.

There isn't a single guy like that under consideration and never will be again.

Moving on, I wouldn't be crazy about Monken at all, but there is something to be said for winning at Army. I don't think people realize how hard it is to win there.

Before this season and last, the last time they won 10+ games was 1996. Before that, never. Last year they finished ranked in the Top 25. Before that, '96, and before that 1958. So, Monken can coach.

The major questions are: What system would he run here and how would he recruit? I think it's fairly obvious he wouldn't run triple option, but some kind of system that includes option and probably spread (i.e. something that gives us a schematic advantage, which you need to do here to win). This in part because at a place like Mizzou, you have to. Unless we hire a guy like Kiffin, we'll rarely finish in the Top 10 in recruiting in the SEC. It's encouraging that he likely sees this (Sterk, too). However, the question remains if he'd still be able to recruit the caliber athlete necessary to compete in this conference, because while we need a schematic advantage to offset our recruiting disadvantages, we still need good players to execute.

I also think it's fair to question if he can recruit defenses with any system he runs.

He's a big risk, in my opinion, but could also make us competitive every year, though likely not for championships.

 

[Fort80]

First of all, I hated the Kim hire from the start yet Monken is high on my list. My brother is a West Point grad so I follow Army football. What he's done at Army has been absolutely remarkable. Army was the forgotten academy until he took over. And though this year was a step back, I think next year they'll bounce right back if he were to remain. When watching his teams, I think about what he can do with the right guys - which would be critical to land for his system to work. As others have said, it really is a thing of beauty when it's run properly. It's risky - I think all the concerns are valid - but I'd love it. If it worked, I think he'd really endure a lot of fan loyalty. But I get the concerns. But he's not Kim.

TIK..You are a poster whose opinion I always respect. You make Monken sound appealing in a lot of ways. Do you think he would run the option at Mizzou and if so do you think that offense would have a low ceiling for success?

 

[yourminebender]

Every single coach is going to be a risk here, because we will not out recruit other teams.
For those concerned about the option, watch the Ravens. I realize they have a dude at qb, but they are giving the NFL fits with their version of the pistol option. Harbaugh specifically sought out Paul Johnson to help him understand option concepts. What they do in the pistol with two h backs is beautiful.

 

[TigerinKansas]

TIK..You are a poster whose opinion I always respect. You make Monken sound appealing in a lot of ways. Do you think he would run the option at Mizzou and if so do you think that offense would have a low ceiling for success?

Thanks, I appreciate that. I honestly don't know. It's really fun to watch at Army when done well, but part of me also thinks he would realize he couldn't go all option here. And then part of me wonders if the mix of traditional and option might really be something. He did do the option at Georgia Southern, from my understanding, but at Power Five? It's a good question...probably one that Sterk is asking.

 

[Fort80]

Thanks, I appreciate that. I honestly don't know. It's really fun to watch at Army when done well, but part of me also thinks he would realize he couldn't go all option here. And then part of me wonders if the mix of traditional and option might really be something. He did do the option at Georgia Southern, from my understanding, but at Power Five? It's a good question...probably one that Sterk is asking.

I see that his QB coach at Army is Mitch Ware.....I remember Ware from his days playing qb for Southwest Mo St. I think they were still DII at the time and pretty good.

 

[Jami9700]

Grew up watching OU and Jeff City on Friday Nights. Beautiful thing when executed. Have to tackle the balk 3 times.

Back then, Jeff City might've been competitive against MU.
How many QBs went from JC to MU?

 

[unclepoppop]

Monken is not a Kim Anderson kind of dude. I don’t know him personally but he played in college with two friends of mine and is related to a guy from Belleville. His uncle was a long time high school coach at Assumption High School in East St. Louis. They rave about the guy and his football knowledge and what a cool guy he was in college and is now. So, I don’t believe he is the tuck your shirt in or you are off the team kind of guy. He also is smart enough about football to know that the triple option will be a tough sell in the SEC.

His college coach was notorious for running the ball at all times. His friends and teammates I work with do the same. I think he’s a run heavy coach because that is what he knows.

That being said, can he recruit guys to make a difference at Mizzou? I don’t know... but damn, he recruited players to Army and won with them, and that’s not easy.

I know for a fact that a heavy hitter among our donors is in favor of hiring him. I have no idea if he is interested. Again, I don’t know him personally.

I will say this, was Gary Pinkel the sexy hire like Lane Kiffin back in the day? That obviously worked out.

Thanks for that add coach. I have said I wasn’t interested in this hire but have to say it’s a tad more interesting now. You made me think about it some. There is a lot to coaching a football team.

We ran the veer. It was hard to stop as well. Most couldn’t. Looking at it I realize there are several forms of options ran. I imagine some are commonly used today.

 

[boobynugget]

Propst, Farmer, Gage, Harvey (PK) all went in a 5-6 yr span in late 99//earky 2000s.

 

[aleake1]

Monken seems like an amazing coach but I really don’t want to see the Flexbone at Mizzou. If he can convert more spread principles into it like Fritz and Calhoun then I’d be all for it.