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"Taser, taser, taser...holy shit, I just shot him" trial begins this week

If we were to opine generically that if a suspect resists arrest and/or puts an officer in fear for their safety…then the officer’s behavior deserves a wide latitude…I’d ask who would disagree with this?

Part of why the specious narrative surrounding Michael Brown(yet another govt and media effort at the “noble lie”)was so harmful to national unity.

edit: in tandem with police reforms designed toward de-escalation and transparency… its a missed opportunity toward racial unity and community-police healing to ignore the critical need to educate the people that resisting arrest immediately puts both suspect and officer in mortal danger… and that the peace cannot be maintained if LEO’s can’t aggressively defend against resistance.

My fear is the more we side with criminals the more we are giving the green light to shitty behavior.

This is being seen in San Francisco
 
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No it’s a note about a kid who he shot..had not been tried for at a filling station a few months prior and the gal he choked. The kid he shot in the head..cannot speak or move his limbs. His mom wa# commenting on Daunte… @nd the other comments were from the chick he choked and held a gun on. Lovely guy. Looks like they took that down..I would bet Crump..the families civil attorney threatened because he had not been convicted of those crimes, though witnesses said he did. The kid to the right in the pic I posted up a couple , is the poor kid he allegedly shot in the head this summer.
 
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Link to story works today. Sounds like the troublemakers are getting ready for some bonfires and Christmas looting up there if things don’t go badly for the cop who shot this pos.

 
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I’m not sure what to think here. Hopefully her sentence is light.

Similar thoughts. Accidents happen. Hers was very costly.

But also. You never give that accident a chance to happen if you don’t behave like a jackass with law enforcement.

But she killed him and shouldn’t have
 
DA from what Im picking up will go for max sentences and to run consecutively. Not sure how the jury arrived at a guilty verdict on First Degree when the law states the LOE in this case had knew that what she was doing would potentially cause death. As someone who spent years in the military and in my civilian life around many LOEs and on the firing range, training is so damn critical and I'm not sure Potter had the necessary training. If anything the police department in this case bears some culpability. I know people like to think (and say) just give me a gun and place me in a high stress situation and I know exactly what I would do.......well, no you don't.
 
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Glad she was convicted. Police officers shouldn't be allowed to make fatal mistakes. They should be held to a higher standard.
In what way was she actually guilty of this - other than jurors wanted to be home for Christmas?

609.20 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE FIRST DEGREE.​

Whoever does any of the following is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 15 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $30,000, or both:

(1) intentionally causes the death of another person in the heat of passion provoked by such words or acts of another as would provoke a person of ordinary self-control under like circumstances, provided that the crying of a child does not constitute provocation;

(2) violates section 609.224 and causes the death of another or causes the death of another in committing or attempting to commit a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor offense with such force and violence that death of or great bodily harm to any person was reasonably foreseeable, and murder in the first or second degree was not committed thereby;

(3) intentionally causes the death of another person because the actor is coerced by threats made by someone other than the actor's coconspirator and which cause the actor reasonably to believe that the act performed by the actor is the only means of preventing imminent death to the actor or another;

(4) proximately causes the death of another, without intent to cause death by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule III, IV, or V; or

(5) causes the death of another in committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.377 (malicious punishment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby."
 
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Not guilty. It’s an unfortunate mistake.

Criminal once again chose to put himself in a situation where a very bad thing could happen. Eventually it will. Another situation where if you keep people in jail where they should be they aren’t free to stain society and ruin lives like this.

She should lose her job, but that’s it.
Can’t keep people incarcerated forever. We need to think about the effectiveness of our criminal justice system, especially when you realize that most people are jailed for nonviolent crimes. As for Potter, I realize she didn’t mean to do it and that’s why she got convicted of manslaughter rather than murder. In my mind, it’s clear she acted in a criminally negligent manner. Note that it wasn’t intentional.
 
Really hated to see that outcome. Not the brightest cop ever. But a dedicated one who in no way wanted that to happen. If the trainee would have been able to put the cuffs on without fumble fvcking around would not have happened. If the pos with robbery and weapons charges had not tried to drive off with two officers on the car, she wouldn’t have pulled trigger. Certainly does not deserve a decade or more in prison.

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Can’t keep people incarcerated forever. We need to think about the effectiveness of our criminal justice system, especially when you realize that most people are jailed for nonviolent crimes. As for Potter, I realize she didn’t mean to do it and that’s why she got convicted of manslaughter rather than murder. In my mind, it’s clear she acted in a criminally negligent manner. Note that it wasn’t intentional.
Accidents happen. Not all of them require prison terms or law suits.
 
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Accidents happen. Not all of them require prison terms or law suits.
This one probably does require a lawsuit, but not a prison term. I really hate what the jury did here. I didn't watch the trial, so maybe there is something that I missed, but ultimately, I have a hard time understanding how her attorney wasn't tearing the prosecution to shreds on a charge that sure seems like a massive overreach.
 
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This one probably does require a lawsuit, but not a prison term. I really hate what the jury did here. I didn't watch the trial, so maybe there is something that I missed, but ultimately, I have a hard time understanding how her attorney wasn't tearing the prosecution to shreds on a charge that sure seems like a massive overreach.
If you fight with police resisting arrest because you don’t want to go to jail, and you clearly accidentally get yourself killed in the process, there absolutely should not be a lawsuit that holds water.

People act like she was playing paintball and thought it would be funny to also bring a real gun with her.
 
If you fight with police resisting arrest because you don’t want to go to jail, and you clearly accidentally get yourself killed in the process, there absolutely should not be a lawsuit that holds water.

People act like she was playing paintball and thought it would be funny to also bring a real gun with her.
The force used was excessive. It wasn't intentional, but it was excessive. In a civil suit, I believe they allocate pct responsibility for the bad outcome. So a jury would have to decide what portion was on him for resisting and what portion was on her for grabbing the incorrect weapon. Totally appropriate in this situation for the dept/city insurance to take a hit. Then the department and their insurance can decide what training they need to add/change to mitigate the risk of similar situations in the future.
 
The force used was excessive. It wasn't intentional, but it was excessive. In a civil suit, I believe they allocate pct responsibility for the bad outcome. So a jury would have to decide what portion was on him for resisting and what portion was on her for grabbing the incorrect weapon. Totally appropriate in this situation for the dept/city insurance to take a hit. Then the department and their insurance can decide what training they need to add/change to mitigate the risk of similar situations in the future.
Tasing was excessive?
 
If that was the actual force used, would we be having this conversation?
Tasing is what he required by his behavior. That is what she on video stated she was doing. It was justified to do it. She clearly was mortified when she shot him 1x. She immediately initiated life saving measures.

The accidental use of the wrong instrument in the heat of the moment is an accident that was caused by his behavior on multiple levels, not her negligence.
 
Change the law. If you resist arrest you can be shot. Problem solved
 
Tasing is what he required by his behavior. That is what she on video stated she was doing. It was justified to do it. She clearly was mortified when she shot him 1x. She immediately initiated life saving measures.

The accidental use of the wrong instrument in the heat of the moment is an accident that was caused by his behavior on multiple levels, not her negligence.
I mean I think she got a rough deal, but he got shot with a gun instead of a taser because of her negligence/lack of training not because of his actions. She fvcked up in a way she shouldn’t be able to. I haven’t followed it closely but I believe that she was not carrying her weapons properly (both on the same side). Hopefully those able to make the required changes do so that no officer grabs a gun thinking it’s a taser ever again. I’m not educated enough to know what could/should be done but something needs to.

In the end, justice was served. A jury of peers looked at the evidence and determined based on what they read she was guilty. I may think it’s a bit extreme but I give wide latitude to 12 random strangers selected to devote their entire time to studying the evidence to come up with a fair and just verdict. It doesn’t mean I like it but it is as fair as we will ever get.
 
If jury nullification is the jury ignoring the statute to find someone they don't want to convict not guilty, what do we do when they find them guilty when none of the clauses in the statute seem to apply? Jury legislation?
It’s what appeals are for. Not arguing with you, just pointing out there is a resolution that is available if that is the situation.
 
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I mean I think she got a rough deal, but he got shot with a gun instead of a taser because of her negligence/lack of training not because of his actions. She fvcked up in a way she shouldn’t be able to. I haven’t followed it closely but I believe that she was not carrying her weapons properly (both on the same side). Hopefully those able to make the required changes do so that no officer grabs a gun thinking it’s a taser ever again. I’m not educated enough to know what could/should be done but something needs to.

In the end, justice was served. A jury of peers looked at the evidence and determined based on what they read she was guilty. I may think it’s a bit extreme but I give wide latitude to 12 random strangers selected to devote their entire time to studying the evidence to come up with a fair and just verdict. It doesn’t mean I like it but it is as fair as we will ever get.
In the end, nobody in their right mind should want to become a police officer or continue to be one.

If you make an innocent mistake in a potential life and death struggle with a criminal violently resisting arrest with 2 officers, you will lose your job, be ruined in the media, go to prison, and be sued.

What a time to be alive.
 
In the end, nobody in their right mind should want to become a police officer or continue to be one.

If you make an innocent mistake in a potential life and death struggle with a criminal violently resisting arrest with 2 officers, you will lose your job, be ruined in the media, go to prison, and be sued.

What a time to be alive.

If she’d carried her weapons correctly I’d be more included to agree with you. The fact is the policy was likely in place because this sort of incident had happened before and they wanted to be sure officers could reach and know what weapon they were grabbing. That’s not just for this case but also is the case where they needed to pull a fire arm and accidentally grabbed a taser.

She ****ed up in the moment but didn’t take the proper precautions to make sure that didn’t happen. We should give officers wide latitude to make very difficult judgement calls, not all those calls are going to be right (see Tamir Rice), however with great power comes great responsibility. She failed in her responsibility in the moment and ahead of it.

That said, I felt she was over charged but the jury disagreed
 
If she’d carried her weapons correctly I’d be more included to agree with you. The fact is the policy was likely in place because this sort of incident had happened before and they wanted to be sure officers could reach and know what weapon they were grabbing. That’s not just for this case but also is the case where they needed to pull a fire arm and accidentally grabbed a taser.

She ****ed up in the moment but didn’t take the proper precautions to make sure that didn’t happen. We should give officers wide latitude to make very difficult judgement calls, not all those calls are going to be right (see Tamir Rice), however with great power comes great responsibility. She failed in her responsibility in the moment and ahead of it.

That said, I felt she was over charged but the jury disagreed
And as I said, in the end few if any will want to accept that responsibility. That is a major problem, and BBC a much bigger problem than combative criminals accidentally getting killed because they were fighting the police.

A POS acts like a POS, and you are ruined because something was on the wrong side of your belt when you never should have had to use it to begin with.

Never should have been charged, definitely not convicted. A lot of pvssies on the jury.
 
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Some accidents are fluke occurances. Some are a result of negligence.

Being unaware of what weapon you draw, and fire is the latter. Arguing otherwise is foolish.
Have you ever had your mind on a problem from work while walking to your car in a parking lot and walk to another car that is the same or similar to yours and in the same vicinity? That's what she was doing. Her immediate problem was the struggle in front of her. That was taking her main attention and she didnt' notice when she drew the wrong weapon.

I'm totally cool with firing her or making her resign. I'm cool with civil damages. Ultimately, the man created a high-stress situation that the officer didn't handle well. She doesn't deserve jail time for that.
 
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Have you ever had your mind on a problem from work while walking to your car in a parking lot and walk to another car that is the same or similar to yours and in the same vicinity? That's what she was doing. Her immediate problem was the struggle in front of her. That was taking her main attention and she didnt' notice when she drew the wrong weapon.

I'm totally cool with firing her or making her resign. I'm cool with civil damages. Ultimately, the man created a high-stress situation that the officer didn't handle well. She doesn't deserve jail time for that.
This is a poor analogy for several reasons. Also, I wasn’t commenting on what she does or doesn’t deserve. Just the fact she was negligent. It’s not her fault that she was put in that position. Her response to that situation is her responsibility.

It is her fault, due to negligence that she not only was unaware she drew the wrong weapon, she was still unaware when she pulled the trigger too.

Again this isn’t a commentary on what she deserves as punishment, just a commentary on her negligence
 
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This is a poor analogy for several reasons. Also, I wasn’t commenting on what she does or doesn’t deserve. Just the fact she was negligent. It’s not her fault that she was put in that position. Her response to that situation is her responsibility.

It is her fault, due to negligence that she not only was unaware she drew the wrong weapon, she was still unaware when she pulled the trigger too.

Again this isn’t a commentary on what she deserves as punishment, just a commentary on her negligence
There is criminally negligent and civilly negligent. She is clearly the latter. Some think she is the former. I just think that is too much to put on an officer who was attempting to act in good faith. Seriously, why would anyone EVER take that job if an honest mistake lands you in jail?
 
There is criminally negligent and civilly negligent. She is clearly the latter. Some think she is the former. I just think that is too much to put on an officer who was attempting to act in good faith. Seriously, why would anyone EVER take that job if an honest mistake lands you in jail?
Youve made your opinion clear. I fully understand your position.
 
There is criminally negligent and civilly negligent. She is clearly the latter. Some think she is the former. I just think that is too much to put on an officer who was attempting to act in good faith. Seriously, why would anyone EVER take that job if an honest mistake lands you in jail?
Civilly negligent? So put a dollar sign on the dead criminal’s life and let an insurance company pay for it? You’re good with that?
 
Someone write this down, I actually agree with @Sevro au Barca She was most certainly negligent. We can argue about what charge(s) and sentence is appropriate under the circumstances, but her actions were negligent. I know LEO's have made this same mistake at least 18 times in this country, but I don't understand how. A taser is simply not comparable to a firearm. I can't fathom how you confuse the two.

I haven't followed this case closely, but most agency's policies state the taser should be worn on the opposite side as your firearm and the holster should be set-up in a cross-draw fashion. This is so even the draw of a taser is different from your firearm. If she violated her department policy, as has been suggested ITT, then that's even worse.

Law enforcement training needs to be realistic and stressful. It's the only way to identify people who can't handle the potential stresses of this profession. Unfortunately, with the current climate in this country most sane people don't want to enter this profession and you probably don't want a lot of those who do.
 
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