NEW STORY TEN THOUGHTS ON MIZZOU'S 66-24 LOSS TO TENNESSEE

[wehrli_22]

I think 5-7 or 6-6 would have been a lot easier to stomach if you had been offered a glimpse of the future and it had made you feel good

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 24 points per game.

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by 4.5 points per game. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

This is not sunshine pumping here. Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.

 

[jjspkd]

I think Drink is probably a good coach he is just a massive failure at either developing a QB or knowing the right one to play. Todays game was one of the most moronic displays I have ever witnessed from a coach. I don’t care if Brady is Jesus F’ing Christ you still put in Horn or Macon to get someone snaps in case Brady gets hurt or just as importantly if you are wrong and one of them is the better QB. Now going into next year you either have a guy that is clearly not good enough to get you where you need to go or someone who has never played meaningful snaps. Or you go in the transfer portal but if you get a one year player you fetter be in NY6 bowl to buy enough goodwill because you showed nothing about the future of your program.

The only thing we can hope for is we can get a good OC and Drink let’s him run with it and he fixes this mess.

 

[jjspkd]

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]24 points per game.[/COLOR]

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by [COLOR=%s]4.5 points per game[/COLOR]. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

[COLOR=%s]This is not sunshine pumping here.[/COLOR] Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.[/COLOR]

I agree completely with this and it is why I am not only on board for Drink next year but excited. However, that we were so close to winning only works for one year. Next those one score games need to be 50-76% wins.

 

[MU1980]

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]24 points per game.[/COLOR]

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by [COLOR=%s]4.5 points per game[/COLOR]. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

[COLOR=%s]This is not sunshine pumping here.[/COLOR] Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.[/COLOR]

I agree, too early for Gabe or anyone to summarize this season. Let it play out - could be any where from 5-7 to 7-6 with a bowl victory (maybe even over Kansas). Let’s see how they finish.

 

[EsqOnyx06]

I think the comparisons between the coaches, despite their similar records, is tough. While Odom was rebuilding a program that collapsed in 2015, he inherited an NFL talent at QB. Odom’s problem was he had a mediocre defense (his defense) and he lacked the depth at most positions. Huepel’s 2016-2017 offense was high powered but it didn’t compliment the defense well at all. Odom also had issues with managing his staff, which led to two very different OCs, fights between players and coaches, and weird mid season terminations. Odom ran a noticeably dysfunctional program. Lastly, Odom recruited poorly and once Kelly Bryant got hurt and the season 2019 went to hell, it was clear that Odom had not recruited anyone who was a decent D1 QB. It was also very obvious that outside a few players here or there (Roundtree, Badie, and Bolten), the team lacked talent—especially at the WR position.

Fast forward to three years of Drink, there are some noticeable holes in talent (TE, OLine, and RB), but the biggest is QB. Mizzou football organizationally is in a much healthier place today than three years after Odom. There is talent on the team and he has proven either through HS or the portal, he can recruit guys to come play. He’s had one terrible defensive year from one bad hire, but overall not nearly the drama we saw under Odom. He now has a competent DC and his biggest whole is the QB room. He makes some bad decisions as a play caller but those are amplified because his QB is below average. In his first three years, he has only had one year of decent above average QB play. I think Drink is a above average QB away from 7-9 wins. But that’s easier said than done considering he has not shown the ability to develop two four star QBs so far in three years. Drink’s tenure will be defined by whether he finds and develops a QB, which ultimately was the deathnail for Odom as well.

 

[JHamilton23]

Yeah..by that reasoning I should've made my kids wear their floaties for their entire life and made them swim in the shallow end of the pool. GMAFB. Go big or go the eff home. The Big12 is a shit conference. Mizzou is right where they should be.

Should be??? Mm probably should be in the Big 10 if we are being honest. Not only would that have made more since regionally they’d probably fare better. A lot better. All this traveling to the South to get embarrassed and used as the easy W on homecomings and senior days is a bit much don’t you think? What say you @GabeD?

 

[Majost]

@GabeD
1. Kudos for the Skippy reference it’s been awhile since I’d heard that, almost forgot

2. did seem like Skippy was boot licking for an OC or QB coach position

3. If Odom was given crap for being unable to beat Vandy, SC, Wyoming & Mid Tenn, don’t we have to acknowledge a coach that can beat teams consistently this board deems inferior. The biggest Odom win I can remember is FLA in the swamp, consistently beating teams you should isn’t earth shattering, but it’s not nothing (see Onafrio, Al)

Hmmmm. If Drink is beating teams that BO was suppise to beat but didnt. And if Drink is winning more meaningful games than BO. Who the hell did BO beat because their records are both around 500

 

[Majost]

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]24 points per game.[/COLOR]

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by [COLOR=%s]4.5 points per game[/COLOR]. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

[COLOR=%s]This is not sunshine pumping here.[/COLOR] Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.[/COLOR]

But honestly. Do you really think they same Georgia team that showed up against TN was the same team that showed up against us? It was by far their worst game and our best we could possibly play. We play them again our average difference this year would be right back up around 20. But we wont play them again so if you want to see those numbers as improvement than I guess you can

 

[GabeD]

Starting with @GabeD ten thoughts:
Praise Heupel
Change narrative of defense
Defend Heupel running up score
And finally taking shots at PMers who defend Drink and Program

surprised there wasn’t a Matter-esque shit-stirring number 11 speculating how Burden doesn’t hug Drink when he comes off the field.

Then to read through all the ****ing LOSER responses/takes. Geezuz ****ing Christ.

Let’s go back to the big 12. We suck. Chubby Jesus. We suck.

How many ****ing ku trolls pay to be on this site? It’s weird to me that Gabe is leading the charge. What a bunch of self-pitying pussies.

We’re going to win our next three games. What happened today doesn’t change anything from yesterday. Who thought we were going to win this game.

We are going to be 7-6 and my guess is people here will still be pissed off…

Did you even read what I wrote? Because I don't have a clue how that's what you got out of it. I get that you think I hate Drink because I'm not worshipping at his altar every second of the day. But a post like this indicates you don't want to have an actual conversation about it. You want somebody who's going to cover his eyes and ears and then cover your eyes and ears and sing "lalalalala everything is happy times!" regardless of what's going on. Sorry, that isn't me. It's never going to be me. Missouri got beat worse than it's gotten beat in 21 years today. By a team that four years ago, was worse than Missouri and has now embarrassed Missouri three seasons in a row. If you see no issues with where things are at and want to insult anyone who does as a "****ing ku troll" well, that's your right, but there's no real point in trying to engage in an adult conversation about it.

@GabeD
1. Kudos for the Skippy reference it’s been awhile since I’d heard that, almost forgot

2. did seem like Skippy was boot licking for an OC or QB coach position

3. If Odom was given crap for being unable to beat Vandy, SC, Wyoming & Mid Tenn, don’t we have to acknowledge a coach that can beat teams consistently this board deems inferior. The biggest Odom win I can remember is FLA in the swamp, consistently beating teams you should isn’t earth shattering, but it’s not nothing (see Onafrio, Al)

Yes, it's fair to acknowledge the point in No. 3. Barry lost to too many teams he shouldn't have. Drink hasn't done that yet. Which I guess means Drink's record in the "swing games" is a little worse or that he is playing more games against teams that we just assume Missouri shouldn't beat (I don't know which one is true, just saying it's got to be one of them). The comparison to Odom is not to prop up Odom or say Drink isn't as good as he was. But the goal isn't to be as good or slightly better than Odom. Odom wasn't good enough here and the goal is to be clearly better than him. Which is what needs to happen next year.

Can someone tell me what drink said that Gabe is referring to that pissed TN off preseason?

“I thought you were going to introduce my record,” Drinkwitz said by way of greeting Rome, “but with the latest allegations against Tennessee, let’s hold up on what my record is because I expect them to vacate some wins and that’s going to help my record a little, OK?”

Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz blasts Tennessee, says he expects Vols to "vacate some wins"

The Tigers' coach is never one to shy away from speaking his mind, blasting Rocky Top on Jim Rome's show

footballscoop.com

Like I said, I think he meant it as "Tennessee has beat my ass and maybe if they have to vacate some wins my record will look better" and almost said it in a self-deprecating manner. At least that was the intent. That's not how it was taken, particularly in Knoxville.

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]24 points per game.[/COLOR]

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by [COLOR=%s]4.5 points per game[/COLOR]. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

[COLOR=%s]This is not sunshine pumping here.[/COLOR] Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.[/COLOR]

Yes, I acknowledge all of that. Wrote an entire column saying that I completely understand why people can see this year as progress. Was explaining here why I can also see the other side. Saw a tweet that said Alabama is two plays from 10-0 and three plays from 5-5. That's college football. Missouri has been close to being quite a bit better. Missouri is not quite a bit better because it has failed to make enough of those plays. Reasonable people can certainly view that as meaning two different things. I do understand your point of view and why some have it. I am probably more on the side of thinking because they're still losing most of these games I've got a hard time seeing progress. A loss is a loss even if it's by fewer points. But, again, I understand someone who sees it the way you do and yes, I also understand the season isn't over.

 

[GabeD]

Should be??? Mm probably should be in the Big 10 if we are being honest. Not only would that have made more since regionally they’d probably fare better. A lot better. All this traveling to the South to get embarrassed and used as the easy W on homecomings and senior days is a bit much don’t you think? What say you @GabeD?

I've said all along the best case scenario was a functional big 12 but that didn't exist. I think long term they'd have a better chance to be consistently competitive in the Big Ten than they do in the SEC, but I think they can be competitive in the SEC and certainly are capable of being better than they have been the last eight years by a good amount.

 

[zbleezy]

There were a lot of bad signs in that game from a coaching standpoint.

 

[BradN11]

I've said all along the best case scenario was a functional big 12 but that didn't exist. I think long term they'd have a better chance to be consistently competitive in the Big Ten than they do in the SEC, but I think they can be competitive in the SEC and certainly are capable of being better than they have been the last eight years by a good amount.

Best chances for Mizzou football success in order:

1) Functional Big12 (didn’t happen)
2) Big10 (should have happened, easier competition, better academics, regional recruiting and rivalries)
3) SEC…consistent bottom feeder with the occasional glimpse of hope when all the stars align
4) New 12 without Texas, OU, Nubs, Colorado…gross

 

[dsnice27]

Starting with @GabeD ten thoughts:
Praise Heupel
Change narrative of defense
Defend Heupel running up score
And finally taking shots at PMers who defend Drink and Program

surprised there wasn’t a Matter-esque shit-stirring number 11 speculating how Burden doesn’t hug Drink when he comes off the field.

Then to read through all the ****ing LOSER responses/takes. Geezuz ****ing Christ.

Let’s go back to the big 12. We suck. Chubby Jesus. We suck.

How many ****ing ku trolls pay to be on this site? It’s weird to me that Gabe is leading the charge. What a bunch of self-pitying pussies.

We’re going to win our next three games. What happened today doesn’t change anything from yesterday. Who thought we were going to win this game.

We are going to be 7-6 and my guess is people here will still be pissed off…

I love this program and love this team. But we aren’t good, bro. And I want Drink to succeed but he’s got SO many questions still that he hasn’t been able to answer and then we just throw more money at him to…. Just be here?

would love 7-6. Hard to be so adamant though that we’ll win more than 5 though at this point. Also a bowl game is a crapshoot - he showed us last year with his Badie bullshit that he may not be the best at trying to win.

Appreciate your passion but there’s sunshine pumping and then theres just not paying attention.

 

[PUSSYMASTER 007]

@GabeD Regarding the final record we are not there yet. We are 4-6 with two games to go and could very well end up at 6-6 once again. The difference in this year's possible .500 record is noticeable.

In 2020, the all SEC schedule Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]24 points per game.[/COLOR]

In 2021, Missouri lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of [COLOR=%s]28.2 points per game

In 2022, Missouri has lost 5 conference games and were outscored in those losses by an average of 12 points per game. Take away the Tennessee final and the average loss is by [COLOR=%s]4.5 points per game[/COLOR]. Anyway you choose to look at it, that is improvement and gives me hope for the future. Those are still 5 losses and cannot be erased, but with only a pop-gun offense at its disposal, I can be very proud of Missouri's overall efforts this year in the SEC, especially if we can finish out with two more wins.

[COLOR=%s]This is not sunshine pumping here.[/COLOR] Today's game was the first game Missouri lost all year long in the SEC by more than a one possession score. That should count for something in an asthetic sense of college football.[/COLOR]

good post but using UT orange for your emphasis is triggering

 

[Peter Cetera Fan]

Is there a worse Athletic Department in the SEC or in the states that border Mo?

No there’s not. This AD absolutely blows. It’s embarrassing how bad we are at every sport that matters.

 

[tunnel]

I think Drink is probably a good coach he is just a massive failure at either developing a QB or knowing the right one to play. Todays game was one of the most moronic displays I have ever witnessed from a coach. I don’t care if Brady is Jesus F’ing Christ you still put in Horn or Macon to get someone snaps in case Brady gets hurt or just as importantly if you are wrong and one of them is the better QB. Now going into next year you either have a guy that is clearly not good enough to get you where you need to go or someone who has never played meaningful snaps. Or you go in the transfer portal but if you get a one year player you fetter be in NY6 bowl to buy enough goodwill because you showed nothing about the future of your program.

The only thing we can hope for is we can get a good OC and Drink let’s him run with it and he fixes this mess.

Drink needs to do what he is good at, recruiting. Someone needs to hire a OC (not sure that's Drink) and then let the coaches decide who should play, what plays are called and changes should be made during game. Drink is not the offensive mind I thought he was supose to be.

 

[Pale1]

Drink needs to do what he is good at, recruiting. Someone needs to hire a OC (not sure that's Drink) and then let the coaches decide who should play, what plays are called and changes should be made during game. Drink is not the offensive mind I thought he was supose to be.

tun........wait a minute. You're saying that maybe someone other than the Head Coach needs to hire an OC? How would that make a lick of sense?

 

[tunnel]

tun........wait a minute. You're saying that maybe someone other than the Head Coach needs to hire an OC? How would that make a lick of sense?

It doesn't at all.
Drinks play calling, decision making, player development are all suspect.

 

[bgramfan1]

Did you even read what I wrote? Because I don't have a clue how that's what you got out of it. I get that you think I hate Drink because I'm not worshipping at his altar every second of the day. But a post like this indicates you don't want to have an actual conversation about it. You want somebody who's going to cover his eyes and ears and then cover your eyes and ears and sing "lalalalala everything is happy times!" regardless of what's going on. Sorry, that isn't me. It's never going to be me. Missouri got beat worse than it's gotten beat in 21 years today. By a team that four years ago, was worse than Missouri and has now embarrassed Missouri three seasons in a row. If you see no issues with where things are at and want to insult anyone who does as a "****ing ku troll" well, that's your right, but there's no real point in trying to engage in an adult conversation about it.



Yes, it's fair to acknowledge the point in No. 3. Barry lost to too many teams he shouldn't have. Drink hasn't done that yet. Which I guess means Drink's record in the "swing games" is a little worse or that he is playing more games against teams that we just assume Missouri shouldn't beat (I don't know which one is true, just saying it's got to be one of them). The comparison to Odom is not to prop up Odom or say Drink isn't as good as he was. But the goal isn't to be as good or slightly better than Odom. Odom wasn't good enough here and the goal is to be clearly better than him. Which is what needs to happen next year.



“I thought you were going to introduce my record,” Drinkwitz said by way of greeting Rome, “but with the latest allegations against Tennessee, let’s hold up on what my record is because I expect them to vacate some wins and that’s going to help my record a little, OK?”

Missouri's Eli Drinkwitz blasts Tennessee, says he expects Vols to "vacate some wins"

The Tigers' coach is never one to shy away from speaking his mind, blasting Rocky Top on Jim Rome's show

footballscoop.com

Like I said, I think he meant it as "Tennessee has beat my ass and maybe if they have to vacate some wins my record will look better" and almost said it in a self-deprecating manner. At least that was the intent. That's not how it was taken, particularly in Knoxville.



Yes, I acknowledge all of that. Wrote an entire column saying that I completely understand why people can see this year as progress. Was explaining here why I can also see the other side. Saw a tweet that said Alabama is two plays from 10-0 and three plays from 5-5. That's college football. Missouri has been close to being quite a bit better. Missouri is not quite a bit better because it has failed to make enough of those plays. Reasonable people can certainly view that as meaning two different things. I do understand your point of view and why some have it. I am probably more on the side of thinking because they're still losing most of these games I've got a hard time seeing progress. A loss is a loss even if it's by fewer points. But, again, I understand someone who sees it the way you do and yes, I also understand the season isn't over.

Gabe, I've been on this board for a long time. It definitely seems like you have a bias against Drink and you've been feeding all of the negative nellies. You've even made the point that Drink is on the hot seat next year because, of all things, he got an extension. Maybe you are just reporting what you here and what you think, but it has certainly turned anti Drink.

 

[GabeD]

Gabe, I've been on this board for a long time. It definitely seems like you have a bias against Drink and you've been feeding all of the negative nellies. You've even made the point the Drink is on the hot seat next year because, of all things, he got an extension. Maybe you are just reporting what you here and what you think, but it has certainly turned anti Drink.

It isn’t anti drink. He is gonna be coaching for his job next year. To pretend otherwise is whistling past the graveyard. Some people don’t want to hear that but it doesn’t make it untrue

 

[pduff]

It isn’t anti drink. He is gonna be coaching for his job next year. To pretend otherwise is whistling past the graveyard. Some people don’t want to hear that but it doesn’t make it untrue

I know. And Clay Travis imploded the Tennessee hiring of Greg Schiano by riling up his listeners leading to Jeremy Pruitt.

We just played all of his McDonald Bag players yesterday.

There is no context in any of the anti-Drink crowd’s takes. No nuance. And it’s hilarious that if you do try and provide context, or preach patience, you’re called a head-in-the sand Pollyanna.

Drink provides hope. Also, there were 27 negative thread titles yesterday. I thought there was an all encompassing game thread where everyone posts there thoughts. Like when we beat USCe.

 

[pduff]

Did you even read what I wrote? Because I don't have a clue how that's what you got out of it. I get that you think I hate Drink because I'm not worshipping at his altar every second of the day. But a post like this indicates you don't want to have an actual conversation about it. You want somebody who's going to cover his eyes and ears and then cover your eyes and ears and sing "lalalalala everything is happy times!" regardless of what's going on. Sorry, that isn't me. It's never going to be me. Missouri got beat worse than it's gotten beat in 21 years today. By a team that four years ago, was worse than Missouri and has now embarrassed Missouri three seasons in a row. If you see no issues with where things are at and want to insult anyone who does as a "****ing ku troll" well, that's your right, but there's no real point in trying to engage in an adult conversation about it.

Do you think that I don’t see issues? Ok.
Of course I do. How could you not?

So. What do we do? Bitch? Tune out? Start rooting for Alabama or Ohio State? Drink was always going to be growing into this job.

He has recruited at an unprecedented elite level. This should give us as Mizzou fans, hope.

He has already beaten LSU, Florida, Arky, Kentucky and hasn’t lost to USCe or Vandy. Tennessee “McDonald bagged” it’s way to the CFP conversation.

He had a historically bad D last year. That has been rectified.

Early in the season, one of our biggest issues was getting off to a slow start, getting in a hole early. I haven’t seen it mentioned that that issue has been rectified.

We’ve had three Fifth Down level wtf losses this season. Just inexplicable. These things even out. Well hopefully.

Putting on my adult conversation hat (meaning this is where I agree with you) I just do not understand what the hell Drink has done with the QB situation. From Shawn Robinson to “Hurt Bazelak” to not getting Cook (or backups) snaps.

Love Cook but he is not leading us out of our current level of mediocrity (without some miracle crazy leap in talent level). Totally concede that, get that. But it’s not like we have Jimmy Doughety or Brandon Corso as the future.

If Drink doesn’t get the QB situation figured out, then we will be looking for a new coach. Well find out next year.

 

[GabeD]

Do you think that I don’t see issues? Ok.
Of course I do. How could you not?

So. What do we do? Bitch? Tune out? Start rooting for Alabama or Ohio State? Drink was always going to be growing into this job.

He has recruited at an unprecedented elite level. This should give us as Mizzou fans, hope.

He has already beaten LSU, Florida, Arky, Kentucky and hasn’t lost to USCe or Vandy. Tennessee “McDonald bagged” it’s way to the CFP conversation.

He had a historically bad D last year. That has been rectified.

Early in the season, one of our biggest issues was getting off to a slow start, getting in a hole early. I haven’t seen it mentioned that that issue has been rectified.

We’ve had three Fifth Down level wtf losses this season. Just inexplicable. These things even out. Well hopefully.

Putting on my adult conversation hat (meaning this is where I agree with you) I just do not understand what the hell Drink has done with the QB situation. From Shawn Robinson to “Hurt Bazelak” to not getting Cook (or backups) snaps.

Love Cook but he is not leading us out of our current level of mediocrity (without some miracle crazy leap in talent level). Totally concede that, get that. But it’s not like we have Jimmy Doughety or Brandon Corso as the future.

If Drink doesn’t get the QB situation figured out, then we will be looking for a new coach. Well find out next year.

I just write about it. That’s all. And pointing out where there are issues doesn’t mean I hate him or am egging anybody on. People can post what they want to post. I’m just covering what I see

 

[dbenton]

Comparisons between Drink and Odom aren’t on the same level. Take Lock away from Odom and get back to me on their comparisons. Hopefully Drink has his “Lock” in either Horn or Johnson and with the increased talent around them, the comparisons won’t be close. Just my opinion, we will find out.

I hear what you're saying and don't disagree completely, but take away Brad Smith, Chase Daniel, Blaine Gabbert and James Franklin and where would Gary Pinkel be? Recruiting a QB is probably THE most important job of a HC. So, in the transfer portal era, Drink not having a QB is, well, on Drink.

Having a string of very good QB's probably helped Mizzou over achieve in terms of overall talent on the field (especially in the SEC) for close to 15 years and Pinkel wasn't considered some offensive savant. Probably didn't hurt that one of Pinkel's top recruiters was David Yost.....who was the QB coach. (say what you want about his offenses, the guy recruited well and kids (especially QB's) seemed to like him and he got production from the most important position).

 

[dennyb64]

Dude, chill…we know it’s over. Nobody’s asking for a change. Just pointing out there are things from the other conferences that might align better with ol Mizzou. It’s ok to discuss these things.

Beating a dead horse. Move on!

 

[pduff]

I just write about it. That’s all. And pointing out where there are issues doesn’t mean I hate him or am egging anybody on. People can post what they want to post. I’m just covering what I see

Gotcha. Honestly, the thing I loved about this place was that it was like talking about Mizzou sports at a bar.

I feel that there is a lot lost in my posts, from how I feel about the team.

I feel like reading the board now, is like listening to wife’s yenta mom’s group having a bitch fest. Which is exhausting…

 

[2old2slow]

When you are in close games, fewer freshman play.

Doya=dense?

 

[wehrli_22]

But honestly. Do you really think they same Georgia team that showed up against TN was the same team that showed up against us? It was by far their worst game and our best we could possibly play. We play them again our average difference this year would be right back up around 20. But we wont play them again so if you want to see those numbers as improvement than I guess you can

So you apparently are simply a W or L guy?

The entire theme of this thread is to ... 5-7 or 6-6 would have been a lot easier to stomach if you had been offered a glimpse of the future and it had made you feel good, well I think the numbers I published are things I can feel good about. If those numbers reflected wins, I would be ecstatic.

 

[wehrli_22]

good post but using UT orange for your emphasis is triggering

A subconscious mistake ... I'll be seeing that disgusting orange in my sleep ...

 

[2old2slow]

It isn’t anti drink. He is gonna be coaching for his job next year. To pretend otherwise is whistling past the graveyard. Some people don’t want to hear that but it doesn’t make it untrue

Define coaching for his job. What record saves his job?

 

[Shudog0001]

I agree with Gabe 90% of the time but Heupel is a dick and that was a dick move running the score up. Remember saying that because if Mizzou, in years to come, runs up the score you can’t say they should have taken a knee

 

[wehrli_22]

I agree with Gabe 90% of the time but Heupel is a dick and that was a dick move running the score up. Remember saying that because if Mizzou, in years to come, runs up the score you can’t say they should have taken a knee

I guess it is all a matter of perspective, but I seem to remember numerous times that the likes of Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas and now Tennessee just pile the points on for little or no reason. (I believe the opinion of @GabeD that as a CFP contender that Tennessee was compelled to pour it on). At the same time teams like Georgia and Alabama have outclassed Missouri recently, but never embarrassed the Tigers either.

Let's fast forward five years and Missouri is hitting on all cylinders offensively and defensively ... we are ahead of Tennessee and Heupel 35-3 at halftime ... does Missouri press the issue (because we are solidly in the Top Ten and hovering around the CFP) and pour on another 38 points for a 73-3 win?

I doubt if we will ever see that situation happen here.

 

[Swaggy G]

Regarding #8, wouldn’t it really mean we’re more experienced than other SEC teams primarily on defense? Can probably count the number of snaps by a true freshman on defense with 2 hands (or close to it). Would assume offense and defensive snaps are close to 50/50. Freshman have gotten offensive snaps (at least 1 to qualify, which in itself isn’t very indicative of playing young guys). But the defense has been good all year minus today, so is it really a notable problem if freshman aren’t getting snaps, hence the low overall percentage?

This is EXACTLY right. A point everyone, including @GabeD seems to miss. Yes, the D is experienced. The O is very young, especially at QB and O-Line. Even at receiver.

 

[Majost]

So you apparently are simply a W or L guy?

The entire theme of this thread is to ... [COLOR=%s] 5-7 or 6-6 would have been a lot easier to stomach if you had been offered a glimpse of the future and it had made you feel good, well I think the numbers I published are things I can feel good about. If those numbers reflected wins, I would be ecstatic.[/COLOR]

No. You are the one who mentioned that if you take out the TN game and tried to make the numbers look even better. So i just took out the Georgia game and replaced it with a game that a typical georgia team has played like this year. Seriously. Georgia gives up what 10pts a game average. Our offense scored over 20. Again thats our offense. You really think that wasnt a fluke?

 

[wehrli_22]

No. You are the who mentioned that if you take out the TN game and tried to make the numbers look even better

The numbers are what they are ... outside of the Tennessee game, Missouri has not lost any other conference game by more than one score. That was the point. The point was made in a previous post that with the Tennessee loss are there any positives to take away from this season. I stand by my answer.

 

[TigerCruise]

I think the comparisons between the coaches, despite their similar records, is tough. While Odom was rebuilding a program that collapsed in 2015, he inherited an NFL talent at QB. Odom’s problem was he had a mediocre defense (his defense) and he lacked the depth at most positions. Huepel’s 2016-2017 offense was high powered but it didn’t compliment the defense well at all. Odom also had issues with managing his staff, which led to two very different OCs, fights between players and coaches, and weird mid season terminations. Odom ran a noticeably dysfunctional program. Lastly, Odom recruited poorly and once Kelly Bryant got hurt and the season 2019 went to hell, it was clear that Odom had not recruited anyone who was a decent D1 QB. It was also very obvious that outside a few players here or there (Roundtree, Badie, and Bolten), the team lacked talent—especially at the WR position.

Fast forward to three years of Drink, there are some noticeable holes in talent (TE, OLine, and RB), but the biggest is QB. Mizzou football organizationally is in a much healthier place today than three years after Odom. There is talent on the team and he has proven either through HS or the portal, he can recruit guys to come play. He’s had one terrible defensive year from one bad hire, but overall not nearly the drama we saw under Odom. He now has a competent DC and his biggest whole is the QB room. He makes some bad decisions as a play caller but those are amplified because his QB is below average. In his first three years, he has only had one year of decent above average QB play. I think Drink is a above average QB away from 7-9 wins. But that’s easier said than done considering he has not shown the ability to develop two four star QBs so far in three years. Drink’s tenure will be defined by whether he finds and develops a QB, which ultimately was the deathnail for Odom as well.

I think the final straw for me was the really bad unsportsmanlike penalties this team started taking in Odom's last 2 years or so. It just screamed to a team that was lacking discipline and leadership.

Throw in the lack of top 25 recruiting classes, and what you said is spot on.

 

[sharpwp]

Gotcha. Honestly, the thing I loved about this place was that it was like talking about Mizzou sports at a bar.

I feel that there is a lot lost in my posts, from how I feel about the team.

I feel like reading the board now, is like listening to wife’s yenta mom’s group having a bitch fest. Which is exhausting…

Are you watching the games? Is there really a lot to be excited about?

The defense is good, but half of them are probably not going to be on the team next year. The offense is awful outside of 2 receivers and can we really expect both of them to be back next year? I wouldn't blame Burden or Lovett if they left.

Most of the players getting playing time aren't young. A lot of them are bad and the hot-shot recruits are not good enough to get a chance. How can you see that as anything but a giant flashing red light?

Josh Heupel took over a team that went 3-7 and in his second year he has them in the top 5. He is unquestionably a better coach than Drinkwitz. Does that not piss you off? Do you really want to root for a team that if they hadn't lost 4 games by one score they would be 8-4? Come on man. There is not a lot of positives to go on with this program right now and if die hard Mizzou Fans point that out they are not unreasonable. You could make a pretty strong case that people who have faith at this point are the unreasonable ones.