0-19 is significantly much more worse than a 1-18, 2-17, or 3-16.
They didn’t win a conference game. Not. A. Single. One.
And won’t win a conference game in the calendar year of 2024. But here’s to hoping DG lands a backup SG this weekend 👍🏼
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They didn’t win a conference game. Not. A. Single. One.
And won’t win a conference game in the calendar year of 2024. But here’s to hoping DG lands a backup SG this weekend 👍🏼
I think this is a fair concern too. Two years ago, he had a bunch of role players who could be role players because they had an alpha in Kobe and a secondary alpha in D'Moi. They didn't have either of those things last year. They had a whole bunch of role players. At some point you want to look and see someone you think is more than "a piece." I don't know who that would be on this roster right now.
22-23 was way more fun than any year Kim had, guess I choose to balance Gate's two years so far and wait till next year before declaring in every single post how horrible last year was. We get it, it can't be changed and repeating it ad nauseum is boring.
They really only had 4 role players last year. Had they had 7 or 8 role players the season wouldn’t have caused the stud that it did.
tough shit. Don’t go 0-19 and it won’t be talked about at nauseam.
The same thing happened to Drink. All anyone ever talked about was how he couldn’t do any better than .500. Then this past year happened. Now you want him to be the AD.
So they had four role players and then like eight guys who shouldn't have been on the roster? That's concerning too.
Say they land Porter, Mitchell, Perkins and Warrick for argument sake, who is the “dude”?
Perkins? I don't know for sure. I don't think Bates is the leading scorer on a good team. I think he's a good third guy. I don't think Grill is either. I can't say on Tonje and I'm not going to pretend to have watched much of the guys you're talking about here. I want to be clear, as I said in another thread, I'm not picky about who they get. Their job is to identify them. They just have to do that job correctly.
More like 4 role players. 2 more would have been role players injured. 8 guys that should have been mostly practice players but were forced into trying to be role players. Led to a terrible year.
Kobe was a dude that was developed here. I’m pessimistic that Mizzou is a program that can go get a “dude” in the portal because those guys go to bluebloods. I mean I wouldn’t even consider Cleveland a “dude”.
But thank God it's the job of at least 14 people on here to pick apart every name you throw out.
I don’t even think you need a “dude” to have a decent to good year. Look at South Carolina as an example.
Meechie Johnson was a good player, but I wouldn’t put him in the dude category.
They had quality at all 5 spots. Mizzou might be able to pull that off over the next 5-6 weeks.
Right. Maybe the Northern Kentucky kid becomes a dude. Hell, maybe Bates does. It doesn't have to be a guy you immediately ID out of the portal as a guy that's gonna get 18 a game. They just have to have one, which is why I've said I'm not going to nitpick who they take. They have to be right. Same thing I said about Drink and QB over and over before last year. I didn't care who his QB was, he just had to get the right one. And he did.
Yes, one year. As a whole he’s been much better. KA AVERAGED 9 TOTAL wins, with no NCAA appearances. Let’s see where things stand after year 3, okay?
Mizzou’s KenPom rankings the last 10 years.
Kim Anderson
192
159
156
Cuonzo Martin
40
68
97
47
137
Dennis Gates
57
150
I think Perkins is the best bet right now. All-B1G 2nd team I believe, which Kobe was All-SEC 2nd team the year before Gates got the job.
But it could also be Mark Mitchell if you land him. He has extremely high potential. More than even Kobe.
Crews scored a lot at UT-Martin, but I think he's more along the lines of what Gholston was Year 1.
But I wouldn't count out Warrick. In scoring, he went 15.8 (FR), 16.8, 18.8, 19.9. He's not like Tonje, who broke out his senior year. Warrick has been an effective and efficient scorer since he got on NKU's campus. 49.4% 2P FG, 35% 3P FG, 84% FT on 4 FTA/G. The dude gets buckets. Will it translate to the SEC? I don't know. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was our leading scorer next year.
If we keep them that means bringing in two less transfers. Rolling out the same exact dudes who just went 0-19 seems like a good way to get fired.
once again a remarkable oversimplification. and pushing out sophomores for not contributing as freshmen is a sad look for future recruiting.
You have to push out somebody. You can’t have 17 guys on the roster. Some will leave. Just accept it.
I know you really don’t like pushing specific kids out and saying who you think is leaving, but I’m getting confused who might even go:
Bates - told Drew in fairly certain terms he’d be back
Grill & Tonje - your intel has been fairly consistent both are back
3 fresh - as of now, back
That leaves just Shaw, who as of now hasn’t hit the portal
Shaw was in Sedalia yesterday as part of the offseason caravan. I kind of doubt he’s part of that if both sides weren’t confident that he would return.
People are going to leave. They always do. We're bringing in 5 transfers. We can't have 17 guys on the roster.
I guess where I’m at is
1. Gabe’s intel is off on incoming, but to me that doesn’t seem likely as we are hosting Warrick, he remains positive on Jevon and none of them or Crews address the biggest needs (PG & C)
2. His intel on outgoings is off and/or the staff is playing it incredibly close to the vest on the 2-4 more outgoings we need to utilmately land us in the 13-15 range
3. We are going to have the largest roster in D1 lol
It's not really intended as intel, it's just that none of them have left yet, so until they do I am operating as if they are staying. I think another 1-3 almost have to leave, but IDK who or when. I'm surprised there haven't been more already
This will be the only time I reply to you here because I know where you stand on this and don’t need to derail this thread.
My question is why do you take we are adding 4 more transfers as gospel (as Gabe has indicated is likely the case) but basically ignored all the folks Gabe has indicated he thinks could be back?
At minimum seems, Bates, Grill, Tonje and Ant could be back. And as he’s said now maybe both other freshman and as folks have pointed to Shaw is out doing the caravan stuff
I’d agree that 1-3 ultimately leave and it’s also surprising that more haven’t left yet. The staff really seems to be actively recruiting a lot of spots and so even 3 out, 4 in puts us at 14.
We don't know that. We can't say "definitely" about anything
I think we're definitely trying to add 5 transfers. We're going after Perkins and Warrick and probably Porter and Mitchell and Reed and we already took Crews. It's pretty evident we'd like to add 5 guys total. It could be that Gates fails to get those guys and decides the guys he already has are better than what he could get in the portal.
I think if Gates gets who he wants to get then guys will leave because they got recruited over and won't get playing time. If Gates fails to get the guys he wants in the portal he may only end up taking 3 or 4 from the portal instead of 5 and then less guys will leave.
It seems like the guys on the roster are taking a wait and see approach right now. They'll leave if they get recruited over and they won't if they don't.
OK, how about it's very, very unlikely we take 5 transfers and nobody leaves. You yourself just said 1 to 3 guys "almost have to leave".
This is exactly what I was going to post. We are going to try to find 4-5 upgrades. If we sign a couple big names, then players may elect to hit the portal. If we don't get those upgrades, Gates will roll with people he can get and see if he can get the most out of those that end up staying.
I definitely haven't missed the sunshine pumpers from the Kim and Odom years, but looks like they're back in full force now.
