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I guess the thing that bugs me most is he wants to do a lot of similar things as Zo. I feel like in college football the adage of "hire the opposite of what you just had" gets thrown around a lot and is certainly the case with Odom --> Drink.

Zo often talked about how he wanted to do positionless basketball and how he admired Hamilton. Seems like Gates would bring basically the same vision. Maybe he does and maybe it actually works out great. But part of me was looking forward to seeing any different style of basketball
 
This is the point where the Board of Curators have to tell DRF that Gates isn’t good enough and try again.

The only way Gates makes sense is if Mizzou is getting him at a below market rate, which would indicate that basketball isn’t a priority at Mizzou and funds will be spent elsewhere. I’m ok with that, if it plays out that way.

If Mizzou pays a market rate or overpays for Gates, then we have more proof that Mizzou’s AD is the worst in the country.

No they don't. If Gates is the guy she brings to them, they should shut up and rubber stamp it. And if he isn't good then they can fire both of them down the road.
 
I guess the thing that bugs me most is he wants to do a lot of similar things as Zo. I feel like in college football the adage of "hire the opposite of what you just had" gets thrown around a lot and is certainly the case with Odom --> Drink.

Zo often talked about how he wanted to do positionless basketball and how he admired Hamilton. Seems like Gates would bring basically the same vision. Maybe he does and maybe it actually works out great. But part of me was looking forward to seeing any different style of basketball

Cuonzo's problem was that he was a shitty recruiter. You can do well with any system if you have athletes and shooters to run it. But I see your point.
 
No they don't. If Gates is the guy she brings to them, they should shut up and rubber stamp it. And if he isn't good then they can fire both of them down the road.
So, do you see Gates as being a much better hire than Blake Anderson would have been when Sterk was trying to hire Anderson?

I think Gates is a far more blah hire and more unproven than Blake Anderson. And Blake Anderson was a terrible choice for Mizzou.
 


Looks like Willard employed Suitcase Mike's strategy of how to screw your current employer (and also another one still playing in the tourney) out the door as you leave for another job. Would be hilarious if Maryland had second thoughts on him and he's stuck at Seton Hall.
 
I understand Gates wants to do what's best for him and get the most money. No problem. But would English have done this? This is a sign to me that he has no commitment here at all and we are the back up for him.

Mizzou should do what's best for mizzou and that's not to pay this clown millions to audition for his next job.

Let's get the guy that wants to be here.
 
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So, do you see Gates as being a much better hire than Blake Anderson would have been when Sterk was trying to hire Anderson?

I think Gates is a far more blah hire and more unproven than Blake Anderson. And Blake Anderson was a terrible choice for Mizzou.
1. @GabeD Has mentioned Choi is involved.
2. I can't see a scenario where the Curators didn't float their expectations and criteria to DRF ahead of time. Sure, the same thing could happen during the football search, but that's just unlikely as it was embarrassing.
EDIT: 3. It's her job.
 
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So, do you see Gates as being a much better hire than Blake Anderson would have been when Sterk was trying to hire Anderson?

I think Gates is a far more blah hire and more unproven than Blake Anderson. And Blake Anderson was a terrible choice for Mizzou.
It doesn’t matter what I think of Gates or what the curators think of him. What do they know about hiring a basketball coach? That’s the AD’s job. If they step all over her they’re continuing the biggest problem of the last 20 years here
 
@GabeD

As you noted that you were told that Gates wants the LSU job, have you received any information that ANY of the candidates for Missouri’s job WANTS the Missouri job?

Also, as this search has been extremely “quiet”, and as it appears that this silence through the search process is something that Missouri really values and desires, do you believe that, if this was a leak from the Gates side, that may be a red flag for the Missouri folks in some way?

What I am getting at is that you have noted previously, something to the effect … “someone from Missouri could talk to me but they might not have a job if/after they did” (obviously paraphrasing). If this is the case and they asked whoever the favored candidate is to maintain this silence but the candidate still leaked information, would the leak coming from the candidate’s side be a problem for Missouri or something that may disqualify them for the job?

General comments …

Gates seems as qualified as Kim and I much prefer him to McMahon. However, if it is true that he WANTS the LSU job and wanted the Florida job and tried to get a Big East job last year but overplayed his hand with that AD causing that interest to wane, then it appears he wants A job, ANY job. It also appears that he is prepared to do whatever to get A job. The Missouri job may just be the “next one up”. This isn’t ideal.

The leak from his side, given his flirtation with Big East job and how that allegedly went down last year, seems like it may not be out of line with his MO.

I’d prefer a guy that sees the Missouri job as THE job and a job that he WANTS, just as it seems that Gates may WANT the LSU job. It seems there may be a candidate like this that is at least on par with Gates (in terms of qualifications).
 
There are always contract issues and wording the lawyers have to work through.
There is, but if you don’t start to see some more definitive leaks from the Mizzou camp in the next couple hours someone (an agent) jumped the shark a bit it would seem.
 
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@GabeD

As you noted that you were told that Gates wants the LSU job, have you received any information that ANY of the candidates for Missouri’s job WANTS the Missouri job?

Also, as this search has been extremely “quiet”, and as it appears that this silence through the search process is something that Missouri really values and desires, do you believe that, if this was a leak from the Gates side, that may be a red flag for the Missouri folks in some way?

What I am getting at is that you have noted previously, something to the effect … “someone from Missouri could talk to me but they might not have a job if/after they did” (obviously paraphrasing). If this is the case and they asked whoever the favored candidate is to maintain this silence but the candidate still leaked information, would the leak coming from the candidate’s side be a problem for Missouri or something that may disqualify them for the job?

General comments …

Gates seems as qualified as Kim and I much prefer him to McMahon. However, if it is true that he WANTS the LSU job and wanted the Florida job and tried to get a Big East job last year but overplayed his hand with that AD causing that interest to wane, then it appears he wants A job, ANY job. It also appears that he is prepared to do whatever to get A job. The Missouri job may just be the “next one up”. This isn’t ideal.

The leak from his side, given his flirtation with Big East job and how that allegedly went down last year, seems like it may not be out of line with his MO.

I’d prefer a guy that sees the Missouri job as THE job and a job that he WANTS, just as it seems that Gates may WANT the LSU job. It seems there may be a candidate like this that is at least on par with Gates (in terms of qualifications).

Everything above. Let LSU take this guy
 
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@GabeD

As you noted that you were told that Gates wants the LSU job, have you received any information that ANY of the candidates for Missouri’s job WANTS the Missouri job?

Also, as this search has been extremely “quiet”, and as it appears that this silence through the search process is something that Missouri really values and desires, do you believe that, if this was a leak from the Gates side, that may be a red flag for the Missouri folks in some way?

What I am getting at is that you have noted previously, something to the effect … “someone from Missouri could talk to me but they might not have a job if/after they did” (obviously paraphrasing). If this is the case and they asked whoever the favored candidate is to maintain this silence but the candidate still leaked information, would the leak coming from the candidate’s side be a problem for Missouri or something that may disqualify them for the job?

General comments …

Gates seems as qualified as Kim and I much prefer him to McMahon. However, if it is true that he WANTS the LSU job and wanted the Florida job and tried to get a Big East job last year but overplayed his hand with that AD causing that interest to wane, then it appears he wants A job, ANY job. It also appears that he is prepared to do whatever to get A job. The Missouri job may just be the “next one up”. This isn’t ideal.

The leak from his side, given his flirtation with Big East job and how that allegedly went down last year, seems like it may not be out of line with his MO.

I’d prefer a guy that sees the Missouri job as THE job and a job that he WANTS, just as it seems that Gates may WANT the LSU job. It seems there may be a candidate like this that is at least on par with Gates (in terms of qualifications).

Almost all, if not all, mid-major coaches want A P6 job. Nothing unusual about that.
 
Negative predictions and forecasting is always the loudest.

I thought CM was the real deal — as did many of us. So I won’t pretend to know whoever Mizzou hires to be a smart hire or not. If he wins, it was smart; If he doesn’t win, it was a bad hire and you start over. That said… If it’s Gates, I’m all in for that. I can get excited for that. I had Golden/English 1a/1b (barring we couldn’t land a proven high-major coach) with Gates after them. But there isn’t much of gap there. All three seemed to fall in the same coaching tier as far as risk/potential go (lower-floor, higher-ceiling).

I thought the timing of the whole thing last night was strange. When I saw the tweet, I expected @GabeD to confirm from a Mizzou source quickly. That didn’t happen. Why? If Gates is your guy and you leaked the information why wouldn’t you confirm? That smells more like an agent leak trying to use the Mizzou (potential?) offer as leverage for the job Gates really has his eyes on (LSU?).

Damn, coaching searches are fun.
 
Mizzou could have leaked this, so the hiring of another coach is better received.

But most likely it’s Gates.
 
It doesn’t matter what I think of Gates or what the curators think of him. What do they know about hiring a basketball coach? That’s the AD’s job. If they step all over her they’re continuing the biggest problem of the last 20 years here
Not trying to be argumentative, but the BOC stepped all over Sterk and we ended up with Drink rather than a blah hire in Anderson.

Time will tell if Drink wins enough, but recruiting has created hope and excitement for Mizzou.

Just don’t see Gates generating any excitement for Mizzou fans. Extremely blah hire for a fanbase that needed a reason to come back.
 
I understand Gates wants to do what's best for him and get the most money. No problem. But would English have done this? This is a sign to me that he has no commitment here at all and we are the back up for him.

Let's get the guy that wants to be here.
The guy is already trying to leverage us for another job before he even gets here.

No rational person would hire someone who did this.
 
I'd assume there is another scenario where Gates is the backup choice somewhere and he's trying to speed up the process.

Or this could even be a "trial balloon" from our side to see how fans react.
 
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"But Gabe, we already know who the coach is. Why are you doing a Rumor Mill this morning?"

Maybe we already know who the coach is. More on that momentarily.

First, I can see that if Dennis Gates does indeed end up being the hire (which I would say is likely, but not certain), I can already tell my role is going to be the opposite of what it was five years ago. When Cuonzo Martin was hired, the board was largely very, very excited and I was the wet blanket saying "I'm not sure this is as good as you guys think it is. I think you're just excited Kim Anderson isn't the coach anymore."

Well, the early results of the Dennis Gates reaction aren't good. At all. But I don't hate the hire. In fact, I kind of like it. It's not the very best hire Missouri could have made, but once we got down to the last few names (and I do feel our last four names were accurate, I think that's been basically proven by the developments of the last 24 hours) I liked Gates as much as any of them. If you preferred Kim English or Todd Golden, I can see that. But the gap isn't wide. The three of them are largely the same candidate. Matt McMahon was the one of the four who was different in the group. He had the most head coaching experience and the best win/loss record, but the least proven track record of being able to recruit high-major caliber players. There are some differences, obviously, between Gates, Golden and English, but I really don't think they're all that significant. Yes, English and Golden were in leagues where they were playing better opponents, but they were also in leagues where they had better players on their own rosters.

Anyway, I like that Gates worked in two high-major conferences and worked under Leonard Hamilton, both as a GA and an assistant coach. He was also a GA for Tom Crean at Marquette. So he's been around a couple of coaches who have won quite a few games. He also was an assistant for Ben Braun, who took over Cal after Todd Bozeman was fired for NCAA violations and went to five tournaments in 12 years, including being the first Cal coach ever to be PAC-12 Coach of the Year. He's a Chicago native and has coached the last three years in Cleveland, both of which are cities that have some basketball talent. Geographically, Gates knows people everywhere.

If he styles himself after Hamilton at a high-major level, he's basically going to try to employ what Cuonzo Martin couldn't: A true positionless basketball system that has high-level athletes all over the floor. Here are some of the names that played for the Noles while Gates was an assistant: Terrence Mann, Trent Forrest, Phil Cofer, Mfiondu Kabengele, Dwayne Bacon, Johnathan Isaac, Xavier Rathan-Mayes, Malik Beasley and Okaro White were all NBA guys. Michael Snaer and CJ Walker were highly-touted recruits for which FSU beat out Missouri, among others. Between 2012 and 2019 (the classes that signed when Gates was on staff), Florida State inked 11 top 100 players (including two in the top ten and three five-stars) and 13 top 150 players.

But enough about trying to convince anyone Gates might not be an outright disaster. The important issue is this: Is he actually going to be Missouri's next coach?

As I said above, it seems likely, but it's not certain. First of all, Pete Thamel's tweet never said he was the next coach. It said he is the leading candidate with definite mutual interest and administrative steps still to be cleared. We knew there was mutual interest. We'd reported that Missouri would interview him. Here's the process that I believe led to him becoming the leader:

From what we were told Missouri and Todd Golden met via Zoom on Wednesday. In retrospect, I now believe that Missouri came out of that with Golden as its top candidate. San Francisco played in the NCAA Tournament and lost on Thursday. I believe Missouri woke up Friday with Golden as its top candidate and plans to continue the process and work out a deal. But then Florida came in and hired him. I assume Florida had talked to him before that and maybe he favored the Gators all along. I can't say that for sure. But either way, Golden was headed to Gainesville and Missouri has to figure out where it's going to go next. I want to be clear that Golden being the top candidate is based on logic more than anyone telling me that. It makes sense if you look at how things unfolded because if Gates was the top guy, he was done playing Tuesday and it wouldn't take until Friday night to iron that out in all likelihood.

Anyway, Gates, Matt McMahon and Kim English were the other coaches we strongly believe were among the top group. I'm willing to admit it's possible there's another coach who is still coaching who was (and maybe still is) in that discussion, but if so we don't know who it is. I was told by someone yesterday afternoon the feeling was Missouri would have its coach by the end of the weekend. This was communicated to me after the Golden news broke but well before the Gates news did. So the simple explanation may very well be that it's Gates. Thamel's tweet hit at 9:39 p.m., nine-and-a-half hours after the reports of Golden to Florida had broken.

The rest of this is going to be some inside baseball stuff in the media business that explains why this might not be finalized yet. First of all, when the Golden news hit, you saw multiple national writers all tweeting the news within minutes of each other. The explanation is very simple: Either an agent, a coach or an athletic director had clearly tipped them all off at the same time that Florida was hiring Golden. But last night, we only saw Thamel's tweet. We haven't even seen anyone confirm it since. I know we haven't personally been able to confirm it beyond having already reported that Gates was on Missouri's list. That's not saying Pete's wrong (he's a hell of a reporter who works his ass off and isn't wrong often). But it is interesting that he's the only one who tweeted the information he did. Could it be as simple as the rest of the national guys were covering NCAA Tournament games and didn't want to mess with "It looks like Dennis Gates is the leader to get the Missouri job?" Sure. But if they got a text from someone they believed with that information, it would have taken about seven seconds to do so. None of them did.

The real question here is how the information came to Thamel. There are only two possibilities:

1) It came from Missouri's side. If that's the case, this is to the point where Missouri's offered him the job and is confident or has already been told he's taking it and all that remains is taking the deal to the Board of Curators for approval. While that's possible, I think Thamel's tweet would have been more definitive that he was Missouri's guy if that was the case. And there was some skepticism among people I talked to last night that is what happened. Why play this incredibly close to the vest all throughout the process only to leak that a guy was the leader at 9:30 on Friday night? Some will say "They're putting it out there to gauge the reaction." I don't buy that. They don't need to. Dennis Gates has been talked about on this board. It's easily accessible how Mizzou fans feel about him.

2) It came from Gates' side. If that's the case, this could be interesting. In talking to other people throughout the night last night, Gates had an interesting day yesterday. His name has been involved at South Carolina. We're under the impression there may have been discussions between the sides. We are told yesterday that Gates was contacted by LSU. One person who covers LSU told us last night the belief is that Gates wants the LSU job. If that's the case and he knows he's got interest from Missouri, it's possible his camp leaked the Missouri interest to speed up the process with LSU and get the other Tigers to come to the table if they want to hire him. I had a couple of different people last night openly say they think it's a possibility that the leak is a negotiating tactic to induce a bidding war and/or drive up the price a little bit.

I don't know who Thamel's source is and I don't want to come off as trying to run down Pete as a reporter. Not the intention here. But he didn't tweet Gates has the job. He didn't tweet Gates has been offered the job. He tweeted that he's the leading candidate. Where that information came from is important, as is where Gates and Missouri are in their conversations.

I hope to get some clarity on these points today. If Thamel's report is accurate, it would behoove Missouri to confirm that somewhere. If it is not accurate, it would also be smart to let someone in the media know that. I do not know if that will happen, but I am going to make every attempt to get an answer today. Because the answer to that question is what determines whether Missouri's search is all but over or ongoing.

As always, stay tuned....
Wow, pass on Gates. No thanks. Do better
 
This is the point where the Board of Curators have to tell DRF that Gates isn’t good enough and try again.

The only way Gates makes sense is if Mizzou is getting him at a below market rate, which would indicate that basketball isn’t a priority at Mizzou and funds will be spent elsewhere. I’m ok with that, if it plays out that way.

If Mizzou pays a market rate or overpays for Gates, then we have more proof that Mizzou’s AD is the worst in the country.
This really isn't the situation anywhere other than the fantasy world you've invented in your head. There is marginal difference between Gates, English and McMahon. You can make arguments or prefer one over the others, but there's no clear cut "better" hire. If you insist on squawking over and over that one is clearly better, you're just showing you know nothing.

And please, let's stop pretending we're a destination where top quality coaches who would leave their P5 job for us. Sure, there's a very slight chance it could happen, but we're really not swimming in that pool.
 
This is the point where the Board of Curators have to tell DRF that Gates isn’t good enough and try again.

The only way Gates makes sense is if Mizzou is getting him at a below market rate, which would indicate that basketball isn’t a priority at Mizzou and funds will be spent elsewhere. I’m ok with that, if it plays out that way.

If Mizzou pays a market rate or overpays for Gates, then we have more proof that Mizzou’s AD is the worst in the country.
Why do they think he’s not good enough? He’s been one of the top guys identified on most lists from day one. Y’all overreact something FIERCE about this shit.

Would you feel the same way about Golden? Kimmie? You all are acting like this is a no name guy on nobody’s radar (see Haith, Frank).

And you should want the BOC disbanded if they don’t rubber stamp the AD’s hire. Bad precedent to send and also that’s what got Sterk ousted. It’s a silly fallback crutch some of you have because how how football went (and how because it we WAY overpaid for Drink). Not sure Gates is my top choice, but I sure as hell think he checks a lot of boxes that have been identified as needs on this board alone.
 
How often is the first guy we think it will be actually who it is?

I can recall two major leaks before.

1) Matt Painter
2) Blake Anderson

Do I only remember these because they didn't end up being the coach?
 
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This is my first post and I’m probably going to get flamed for it, but I can see Gates being a much more successful coach at Mizzou than KE… he’s won, and won a lot. He’s on everyone’s list of being one of the next great coaches. I don’t think we should be that disappointed with the hire
“Won a lot” is a loose term
 
This is my first post and I’m probably going to get flamed for it, but I can see Gates being a much more successful coach at Mizzou than KE… he’s won, and won a lot. He’s on everyone’s list of being one of the next great coaches. I don’t think we should be that disappointed with the hire
Won a lot? I know he took over a shit program but 50-40 at low major doesn't scream winning a lot. I do know he had 8 seniors and is losing all his productivity. Next two years were gonna be rough there regardless. Good on him getting out of there though I guess he's earned it.
 
I guess the thing that bugs me most is he wants to do a lot of similar things as Zo. I feel like in college football the adage of "hire the opposite of what you just had" gets thrown around a lot and is certainly the case with Odom --> Drink.

Zo often talked about how he wanted to do positionless basketball and how he admired Hamilton. Seems like Gates would bring basically the same vision. Maybe he does and maybe it actually works out great. But part of me was looking forward to seeing any different style of basketball
I agree but I did see better skill, length and height with his Cleve St team. Players could dribble, shoot play D and rebound.

Cuonzo wasnt that bad two yrs ago. He had enough skill in the players they jus weren't elite. We 16 - 10 was respectable. Just didnt understand why there weren't any players in recruiting to keep that momentum. MAJOR FAILURE. Question is can Gates build up and keep momentum. Track record says he can. If he cant there is something else going on at Missouri that it's a school that is not a destination for recruits. Who's fault would that be in?
 
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