FOOTBALL Brohm

[Christianmizzouguy]

It's interesting how much love there has been on here for the Purdue coach. He could be 5-0 pretty easy right now if not for meltdowns against NW, and Cent. Michigan and a reversed call against us. Yet if Barry lost to those two teams and us the way Brohm did, he would already be fired in most on this boards mind.

Point is are most people just hard on Barry because it's Barry? Cause I'm guessing alot of you would still see Brohm as a legit candidate if we fired BO after this year.

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

It's interesting how much love there has been on here for the Purdue coach. He could be 5-0 pretty easy right now if not for meltdowns against NW, and Cent. Michigan and a reversed call against us. Yet if Barry lost to those two teams and us the way Brohm did, he would already be fired in most on this boards mind.

Point is are most people just hard on Barry because it's Barry? Cause I'm guessing alot of you would still see Brohm as a legit candidate if we fired BO after this year.

I think you nailed it.. We have turned into a society that expects instant gratification. There is no grey area with most people. It's all black and white.

Most fans make up their mind early about a particular coach and then look for information that supports that POV, and filters out anything that doesn't. Andy is a case in point. We get another 5.7RR commit for the secondary yesterday. A nice win no matter how you look at it. And he tries his best to somehow twist it into a negative.

There is no gradual improvement. The HC that takes on a rebuild is either the second coming or a complete bum.. the worst coach in the history of CFB. Lose to the #2 team in the country, when we actually stood a chance to beat them. Or a close loss on the road to SC, a team that had three Top 20 recruiting classes in the past 5 years, and had most of their team coming back this year. Never mind that we had our top two WR's out, which is the basis of our entire offense. Or that we were playing in a monsoon. Odom is the worst coach in CFB. His fault that our kicker misses a FG, or our NFL TE false starts. Even fumbles in driving rain. We obviously got outcoached, even though we had vastly more talent than SC.

It's ironic that most of the people complaining the loudest had predicted coming into the season that both teams would beat us badly because they have more talent and they were road games. Yet now, it's somehow expected that we'll win or else it's all because of Odom.

 

[brosept]

I venture to bet that if Brohm were paired at Mizzou with Drew Lock for the last 3 years that the W-L record would be better and that there would be a QB ready to take the ball in 2019. The defense couldn’t possibly be worse either.

 

[Christianmizzouguy]

I venture to bet that if Brohm were paired at Mizzou with Drew Lock for the last 3 years that the W-L record would be better and that there would be a QB ready to take the ball in 2019. The defense couldn’t possibly be worse either.

This is my point, their is no evidence to support that. He's lost games to worse teams this year than Odom and lost to, but becauseyou believe he's a better coach you make excuses. Brohms team isextremely undisciplined this year, yet because he's beaten Nebraska and BC no one holds it against him.

Barry has lost to one team with as many players out as they had and clearly should have won the game. Even the Georgia game we should have won against superior talent and coaching. Yet somehow noone says give Barry UGA team and he looks better too. Which he would. Everyone wants to blame coaching but the players have to execute. If Crockett takes that run to the middle of the field he probably scores. If JJ catches Locks only touch pass he scores. If Lock throws the ball away there's no pick six. But I bet non of Barry's coaches ever told JJ to drop the ball, Crockett to tightrope the sideline or Lock to throw and Int. Maybe Brohm would just yell enough from the sideline to prevent that though. It's just crazy how as Socal said an opinion of a coach is predetermined.

 

[BradN11]

Lumping Mizzou and Purdue into the same mold/expectations shows just how far this program has declined in the last few years from where we we once were

 

[small53]

It's interesting how much love there has been on here for the Purdue coach. He could be 5-0 pretty easy right now if not for meltdowns against NW, and Cent. Michigan and a reversed call against us. Yet if Barry lost to those two teams and us the way Brohm did, he would already be fired in most on this boards mind.

Point is are most people just hard on Barry because it's Barry? Cause I'm guessing alot of you would still see Brohm as a legit candidate if we fired BO after this year.

Kim Anderson made Barry Odom’s life harder, that being said he still controls his own destiny. It’s amazing how different we would feel had we squeezed out the win against the cocks.

 

[Christianmizzouguy]

Lumping Mizzou and Purdue into the same mold/expectations shows just how far this program has declined in the last few years

People want a Purdue coach with a worse revord to be our coach. Despite our coach beating him and not losing to nearly as inferior of teams. How does that make sense? 7-5 isn't a decline when the previous 3 years were 4-8, 4-8, and 5-7. Especially when you will play the #1, #2 and two likely top 20 teams in the year.

 

[TigerCruise]

I'd take Brohm over Odom everyday of the week.

 

[austinanderson]

Brohm won 30 games in 3 years with W. KY, he won 7 games in his first year at Purdue with a squad that had won only 3 games the previous year including 1 conference game in the Big 10.
Brohm is known as an Offensive Guru, his offenses in his career reflect that.
HCBO is known as a Defensive Coach, his defenses as a Head Coach have certainly not reflected that.

Brohm can coach.

 

[stlsportsdude89]

Kim Anderson made Barry Odom’s life harder, that being said he still controls his own destiny. It’s amazing how different we would feel had we squeezed out the win against the cocks.

I'm not sure people would have felt that much better if we were able to squeeze out a win at USC. With the way the game started we could've won it by half. Should've won that one pretty handedly.

 

[BradN11]

7-5 isn't a decline when the previous 3 years were 4-8, 4-8, and 5-7

Point = proven

Thanks

 

[small53]

I'm not sure people would have felt that much better if we were able to squeeze out a win at USC. With the way the game started we could've won it by half. Should've won that one pretty handedly.

A conference win in a monsoon on the road, if you’re not happy to get a win in that scenario you need to find a new team. Yeah I agree it should have been a 3 td game at half but winning on the road in the sec is hard.

 

[Christianmizzouguy]

That decline is way more on Pinkel than it is on Odom. Odom got the Offense fixed, it takes a little longer to build up a defense.

 

[GREGGW126]

The disgust doesn't come totally from/to the personal likability of the coaches, it comes from Gumby trying onside kicks that defy human comprehension...3 years in and we still look at a team w/largely no discipline, no DC, no real DB coach, pitiful recruiting in the secondary when it was a glaring problem for years, and an inhuman ability to not be able to develop our WR, D line, and especially Andy "CFL" Lock...guy makes the same imbecilic decisions he made as a freshman and looks lust as frigging stupified after each bonehead play...haven't been 2-3 enjoyable games to watch in the over 3 years since he took the helm...WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND THAT...coach living in dreamland, terrible coaches and coordinators around him, rest of the year holds little to no promise, predict Lock will never win a quality game or upset anybody b/c of his arm before he is finished...needs to go be a grad transfer at some place where we never see him again...he had ZERO confidence by the end of the SC debacle, he should fake an injury and stay out of the Bama game, after this 3 game stretch he won't be a 1st round draft choice anymore, except in maybe the CFL...SC game convinced me we need to clean house big time, give me Micah Wilson and an Army-type rushing attack.

 

[mglassma]

Purdue was almost Kansas bad when Brohm took over. You cannot remotely compare the team and defense that Odom was gifted(even with the hunger strike) to the barren desert that Brohm inherited.

 

[jjspkd]

People want a Purdue coach with a worse revord to be our coach. Despite our coach beating him and not losing to nearly as inferior of teams. How does that make sense? 7-5 isn't a decline when the previous 3 years were 4-8, 4-8, and 5-7. Especially when you will play the #1, #2 and two likely top 20 teams in the year.

We get it you love Barry. Here is the difference. Odom took over a program one year removed from back to back divisional titles with a QB that has 1st round NFL talent on it. Brohm took over a program that hasn’t won anything of significance maybe ever.

Your comparison doesn’t take any relevant factors into account. The analogy to Odom and Brohm would be if Bradd Pitt and I went out trolling for tail. After 3 nights both of us have hooked up once. Then People like you think Brad has done a good as a job as me picking up women. No and it is not even close. With the tools Brad (Odom) has in this analogy he should be 3 for 3. With the handicaps I (Brohm) have going 1 for 3 is a hell of an accomplishment.

I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. No one expects Barry to win National Championships. But we do expect him to win when he has by far better talent on the field.

Way too many times he has not done that; MTSU, USCe x3, Kentucky x2, TN x2, Purdue. That is 9 games in 2.4 years that he had better talent and lost the game. How many times has he had lesser talent and won. 0

 

[Ragarm]

I venture to bet that if Brohm were paired at Mizzou with Drew Lock for the last 3 years that the W-L record would be better and that there would be a QB ready to take the ball in 2019. The defense couldn’t possibly be worse either.

No! He wouldn't! We don't understand football here.

 

[jjspkd]

People want a Purdue coach with a worse revord to be our coach. Despite our coach beating him and not losing to nearly as inferior of teams. How does that make sense? 7-5 isn't a decline when the previous 3 years were 4-8, 4-8, and 5-7. Especially when you will play the #1, #2 and two likely top 20 teams in the year.

And MTSU is just as bad or worse than any Purdue team. I don’t dislike Odom. I hope he turns it around. I just have not watched anything in over 2 years that tells me he will. Your live for him is mind boggling.

 

[brosept]

This is my point, their is no evidence to support that. He's lost games to worse teams this year than Odom and lost to, but becauseyou believe he's a better coach you make excuses. Brohms team isextremely undisciplined this year, yet because he's beaten Nebraska and BC no one holds it against him.

Barry has lost to one team with as many players out as they had and clearly should have won the game. Even the Georgia game we should have won against superior talent and coaching. Yet somehow noone says give Barry UGA team and he looks better too. Which he would. Everyone wants to blame coaching but the players have to execute. If Crockett takes that run to the middle of the field he probably scores. If JJ catches Locks only touch pass he scores. If Lock throws the ball away there's no pick six. But I bet non of Barry's coaches ever told JJ to drop the ball, Crockett to tightrope the sideline or Lock to throw and Int. Maybe Brohm would just yell enough from the sideline to prevent that though. It's just crazy how as Socal said an opinion of a coach is predetermined.

Which coach are you speaking of in regards to it being sad people have a predetermined opinion of?

The one who is 14-16 and has beaten nobody in his 3rd year as a HC, or the one who is 39-19 in his 5th year?

 

[Christianmizzouguy]

It's nice when you get to add non P-5 numbers. But I though we were talking about this season cause it's where "we've fallen apart. I'm talking about the 3-2 coach not the 2-3 coach who lost to him.

 

[TigerCruise]

Brohm lost to Mizzou because of a huge talent discrepancy, and even then we needed a last second FG to win

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

Brohm lost to Mizzou because of a huge talent discrepancy, and even then we needed a last second FG to win

How do you know there was a huge talent discrepancy? What are you basing this on?

 

[MizzouCard]

I love these could be scenarios. You could do them for every team in the country. The good ones win the bad ones talk about what their record could be.

 

[doya]

Lumping Mizzou and Purdue into the same mold/expectations shows just how far this program has declined in the last few years from where we we once were

when did we have higher expectations save for a few anomaly years?

 

[doya]

Brohm lost to Mizzou because of a huge talent discrepancy, and even then we needed a last second FG to win

funny how we have no talent and its barry odoms fault...then we have talent but odom screws em up...

 

[TigerCruise]

funny how we have no talent and its barry odoms fault...then we have talent but odom screws em up...

We have talent compared to Purdue.

 

[Christianmizzouguy]

We get it you love Barry. Here is the difference. Odom took over a program one year removed from back to back divisional titles with a QB that has 1st round NFL talent on it. Brohm took over a program that hasn’t won anything of significance maybe ever.

Your comparison doesn’t take any relevant factors into account. The analogy to Odom and Brohm would be if Bradd Pitt and I went out trolling for tail. After 3 nights both of us have hooked up once. Then People like you think Brad has done a good as a job as me picking up women. No and it is not even close. With the tools Brad (Odom) has in this analogy he should be 3 for 3. With the handicaps I (Brohm) have going 1 for 3 is a hell of an accomplishment.

I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. No one expects Barry to win National Championships. But we do expect him to win when he has by far better talent on the field.

Way too many times he has not done that; MTSU, USCe x3, Kentucky x2, TN x2, Purdue. That is 9 games in 2.4 years that he had better talent and lost the game. How many times has he had lesser talent and won. 0

I'm tired of this narrative. The 2015-2016 roster is not even close to the roster that won titles the previous two years. Pinkel didn't replace talent. The 2015 boycott derailed any recruiting for the next few years and he hadn't recruited hardly anyone who would contribute in the SEC on defense for 4 years in those classes. All the talent graduated or was kicked off for drugs, character issues, or lack of talent. You had a young QB and no experience at WR or Oline. Thats not a team any coach(we could have hired) could have won three more games than Odom did. He's turning this around. If he goes 500 or less this or next year fire him but you act like he inherited TCU, or Florida with the expectations you and some have for this and next year.

 

[TigerCruise]

I'm tired of this narrative. The 2015-2016 roster is not even close to the roster that won titles the previous two years. Pinkel didn't replace talent. The 2015 boycott derailed any recruiting for the next few years and he hadn't recruited hardly anyone who would contribute in the SEC on defense for 4 years in those classes. All the talent graduated or was kicked off for drugs, character issues, or lack of talent. You had a young QB and no experience at WR or Oline. Thats not a team any coach could have won three more games than Odom did. He's turning this around. If he goes 500 or less this or next year fire him but you act like he inherited TCU, or Florida with the expectations you and some have for this and next year.

Bullshit. Mizzou had Georgia beat until awful coaching calls took over and we decided to blow the game with an INT and blown coverages.

 

[BradN11]

when did we have higher expectations save for a few anomaly years?

Tell you what...if little to negative improvement and 6-6ish with mediocre recruiting are the expectations every single year, then I’ll just check out right now...if there is no reason to expect better given the talent/schedule then welcome back late 1980s early 90’s Mizzou football...let’s just settle for mediocrity and terrible addentance/support

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

We have talent compared to Purdue.

Prove it. What do you base that claim on?

 

[TigerCruise]

Prove it. What do you base that claim on?

Whatever measure you want. Purdue's average class between 2014 and 2017 was 70th

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

Bullshit. Mizzou had Georgia beat until awful coaching calls took over and we decided to blow the game with an INT and blown coverages.

Yes I always hate it when our coaches call for our QB to throw an interception or our secondary to blow coverage. I just can't understand why they would call that.

"WR slip and fall.. QB pick.. on two."

 

[TigerCruise]

Yes I always hate it when our coaches call for our QB to throw an interception or our secondary to blow coverage. I just can't understand why they would call that.

"WR slip and fall.. QB pick.. on two."

You are in FG range, are winning, can make it a two possession game and basically win. Instead you throw a deep fade route for an INT.

That's a stupid call.

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

Whatever measure you want. Purdue's average class between 2014 and 2017 was 70th

I'm so glad you pointed that out. So you used Rivals team ranking as a measure of talent. Smart. But.. Elsewhere you said that USC we also an example of Odom being outcoached because he lost a road game by 2 points to a team that had less talent than us. Here are the team rankings for Missouri and USC over the last 5 years.

Year/Miz Rank/USC Rank

2018 39 18
2017 49 16
2016 47 26
2015 27 19
2014 34 16

Avg 39 19

So on the one hand Odom gets outcoached for barely losing to a Purdue team with less talent. But then you use the same argument for USC, when they clearly has much better recruiting classes and didn't lose nearly the number of players to attrition that we did?

Mizzou's average class ranking from 2014-2018 was #39. USC was #19. They had 4 Top 20 classes and their worst class was better than our best class.. Missouri has NEVER even had one Top 20 class since before 2000.

Yet.. somehow.. you switch your argument to say that Odom had MORE talent to work with. If you can't see why your argument is biased and flat out wrong, then I can't help you. If anything, it suggests that our coaching staff did a BETTER job developing and coaching OBJECTIVELY LESS talent because we actually should have won that game.

Take some time to think about it.. Then let's see what you can spin.

 

[TigerCruise]

Dude USC had their backup QB on the field. Wait so did Purdue .

If you checked out the star comparisons of Mizzou and USC of the starters they were very familiar. They didn't do one for Purdue but I'd imagine it would show a decisive advantage for Missouri.

Mizzou looked like the better team against Purdue and USC from a talent perspective. Is anyone really arguing that?

Mizzou should have been up on Purdue by 2 or 3 scores at halftime.

But guess what, another special teams blunder stopped that.

I get it you think Odom is great.

 

[Mizzou_SoCal]

You are in FG range, are winning, can make it a two possession game and basically win. Instead you throw a deep fade route for an INT.

That's a stupid call.

I don't remember that the situation you described ever existed. Which play in which quarter are you talking about?

In the second quarter, we threw an interception TD on 3rd & 12 at the 17. The score was 23-24 us losing. A FG would have put us up 2 pts. Less than one score. Why wouldn't you take a shot at a TD on 3rd down?. Correct call. Bad result.

FourthbQuarter, Lock was intercepted at 3rd and 6 on the 13. We were down 2 points. Correct call. Why not take a shot given it was only 3rd down. Otherwise, they could still have one with a FG.

 

[boilertiger05]

I venture to bet that if Brohm were paired at Mizzou with Drew Lock for the last 3 years that the W-L record would be better and that there would be a QB ready to take the ball in 2019. The defense couldn’t possibly be worse either.

You say this, but David Blough was an elite 11 QB that Brohm has struggled to get the most out of until the last few games.

i like Brohm a lot but i dont think he magically makes Mizzou awesome just because of Drew Lock.

Lock is vastly overrated on this board.

 

[boilertiger05]

Dude USC had their backup QB on the field. Wait so did Purdue .

If you checked out the star comparisons of Mizzou and USC of the starters they were very familiar. They didn't do one for Purdue but I'd imagine it would show a decisive advantage for Missouri.

Mizzou looked like the better team against Purdue and USC from a talent perspective. Is anyone really arguing that?

Mizzou should have been up on Purdue by 2 or 3 scores at halftime.

But guess what, another special teams blunder stopped that.

I get it you think Odom is great.

Blough is not a freaking backup. I am so sick of this bullshit statement continuing. I get its not the point of your post but its just not true. Purdue ran a 2 qb system and Brohm would just pick the hot hand. Blough has always had talent. He was elite 11.

 

[TigerCruise]

I don't remember that the situation you described ever existed. Which play in which quarter are you talking about?

Uh 4 quarter vs Georgia. Go watch it.

 

[TigerCruise]

Blough is not a freaking backup. I am so sick of this bullshit statement continuing. I get its not the point of your post but its just not true. Purdue ran a 2 qb system and Brohm would just pick the hot hand. Blough has always had talent. He was elite 11.

I mean Sindelar started ahead of Blough. I think that makes him a backup? Should he have been? That's up for debate.