This is a hilariously bad list. Half of these programs have always been historically equal or better than Mizzou, and four of them are mid-majors who play absolutely nobody.
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This is a hilariously bad list. Half of these programs have always been historically equal or better than Mizzou, and four of them are mid-majors who play absolutely nobody.
Who is going to pay the $6M? That’s what the buyout is until April 30, 2022, and they’re not going to wait that long to fire him after the season.
Why in the f--- do you think I said it takes eight years to rebuild a basketball program? I'm not going to answer the questions of someone who can't be civil to me.
You did respond.... idk why you said it. That’s why I asked. You said 4 years from now(implying here will be here another 4, you have been on the train that HCCM needs to stay bc Mizzou is mediocre and that’s all it can be) We are 4 years in. So 4+4 is 8.
Read my first paragraph again. I didn’t say it would happen. I said it’s a simple business decision based on who you can hire and the financial consequences of keeping vs changing. Or if a big time donor is willing to step up and pay the way to large buyout. Or a combination of these two factors. An example of finance is below.
10k avg attendance (with the right hire excitement) vs 6000 (with a fan base that is fed up) = 4000 extra attendance per game
4000 x 18 games = 72k extra tickets x $25 = $1.8M extra $. Add extra TSF and concessions = ?
Mypoint is the buy out might be partially or totally paid by increased revenue. Or it could be a combination of this and a booster. Or just a booster being fed up and saying they will fund the buy out. My point is, this only happens if you have the right hire in mind.
I don’t think you can say that the posters here and elsewhere on the internet are the only people who want him fired. Largely, the posters here are the only ones who still care. The vast majority of tiger fans no longer care about basketball, and it’s only getting worse under HCCM. That’s the biggest problem. We aren’t selling out the when it’s at ~20% capacity.
Doesn’t that seem as likely as Cuonzo getting fired though? He had a chance to upgrade his staff and promoted his buddy Marco Harris. I agree that Cuonzo deserves another year or two provided we make the tournament this year, but this is one of my big gripes with him...he doesn’t self scout his program well at all. It’s easy to see the current assistants aren’t getting it done.
I feel like MU is all in on football at this point, like most of the SEC. Odom was fired for mediocrity.
Hoops is a different story. I don’t get the impression that SEC title contention in hoops will be a prerequisite for continued employment for Martin. Staying out of trouble and episodic NCAA berths would seem to suffice at this point, like it or not.
Hoops is a different story. I don’t get the impression that SEC title contention in hoops will be a prerequisite for continued employment for Martin. Staying out of trouble and episodic NCAA berths would seem to suffice at this point, like it or not.
I understand what you're saying. But Mizzou is already almost $10M in the red for FY2020, and that doesn't include the pandemic. They're likely looking at a $20M+ deficit for FY2021. So it's really out of the question unless you can find a donor who cares that much about Mizzou basketball to fund it. Maybe they can, but considering Mizzou hoops doesn't even bring that much in a single year of donations, it'd be pretty unlikely.
I don’t think it’s really about number of wins at this point. I honestly think if Mizzou only played three more games and lost all three and they were all against decent teams they d get in. But losing to Vandy or A&M or someone like that in the first round of the SEC tourney with no additional wins would start to make you nervous
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I'm going to buy a powerball ticket tonight, and if I happen to win, I will gladly pay the $6 million to let him go now. So frustrating to watch. This team looks lost on the offensive end, and overcommits on the defensive end. Give up way too many easy buckets. These kids play like they haven't learned anything, like they're on the playground at school. Eventually has to come back to the coach.
If we have donors who are willing to shell out $10+ million at a time in order to build an indoor football facility there's gotta be someone out there that can pay a $6 million buyout, but that's the hurdle. Does anyone that matters care enough anymore?
Let’s go over this one more time: Mizzou legitimately cannot fire cuonzo without cause (not winning enough) until May 1 of this year. That’s when it would cost $6 million. And that gets pushed back by another year to May 1, 2022 if the team makes the tournament this year, which is virtually assured. It’s not a money issue right now. He. Is. Not. Getting. Fired. You can be upset about that, but you’re wasting your time
An issue that can’t be overlooked is that firing HCCM wouldn’t be the best tool for recruiting a new coach. I want him gone as much as most, but I’m not sure it makes logical sense. He took over for one of the worst high major coaches in the history of college basketball, and assuming something crazy doesn’t happen he should take him to 2 tournaments in his first 4 years. Firing someone who does that, won’t have great coaches lining up to be come here imo.
ding ding ding ding ding
Why keep wasting time talking about him being fired. Not happening and frankly I find it a complete bore. I prefer game, team, player analysis, or even in-game coaching analysis.
Agreed. I didn't get Fishback's analysis last night at all. Maybe someone can explain this to me, because I'm not a basketball guy. I don't know the Xs and Os the way most of you who actually played organized basketball growing up did, but case in point for me...
At one point last night, Mark Smith's guy blew past him and then dished for an easy dunk when someone (Brown, I think) had to help from the weak side off of his man to stop the drive. Tilmon's guy was out near the 3 pt line, but didn't set a screen or anything for Mark's dude... but Fishback spent the next two minutes talking about how Tilmon was too slow on defense and how winded he looked and Missouri's defense just falls apart when Tilmon isn't active enough.
Maybe I don't understand something about defensive concepts, but that play didn't look to me like it was in ANY way on Tilmon??
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Yeah, I was agreeing with his point and citing a specific example last night that seemed particularly dense on Fishback's part last night. Edited my previous post to clarify that.
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I somewhat disagree. I kind of feel like most coaches in the business would understand why Mizzou would be firing Martin. There just has to be context included even though he may still have 2 tournament appearances in 4 years. I remember some kind of stat that Barry Odom had like the most wins in the first 4 years of being a HC since Warren Powers and Mizzou still canned him as there was road to improvement. It's the same vibe with Martin. This feels like the peak and if it is, then it's not good enough.
We have literally turned into a ftball school since joining the sec. We left bb back in the big 12 and even more in the big 8. Looks like preseason pick was right at 10th. Even they know we can't hang in the top 4 in the conf. Sadee cuz I just knew the one sport we could compete for a conf title but nope.
The question you have to ask, though, is how will other coaches see it? Will they see it the way the AD is trying to present it, or will they see it from the perspective of a colleague -- a likeable and presumably respected guy in their profession. I tend to think coaches empathize more with other coaches, but maybe that's just my perception.
Pretty sure coaches don't pay attention to how coaches compares to previous ones at a program, but they definitely notice that a coach can get fired for two NCAA Tournament appearances in four years coming off one of the worst three-year stretches in program history.
A Mizzou basketball team playing its worst basketball of the year almost exactly when the calendar turns to March is too predictable.
Maybe we can hang a "Six Quad 1 Wins" banner.
Maybe we can hang a "Six Quad 1 Wins" banner.
Serious quesiton:
What coach do people think we are gonna get that would be better than Martin right now, who would be a reasonable price for the University? We would have to pay the $6 million buyout, then give the new guy a contract and probably buy out that dudes existing contract.
Also, I feel like people dont think of the other side of things. If im a coach and I see what Cuonzo has done here, especially with injuries and all that in the first couple years in building this program to a top 10 ranking form 4 years ago when we won like 8 total games, and that dude gets bought out (fired) after making the tournament? Like hell im interested in going there, imo.
What coach do people think we are gonna get that would be better than Martin right now, who would be a reasonable price for the University? We would have to pay the $6 million buyout, then give the new guy a contract and probably buy out that dudes existing contract.
Also, I feel like people dont think of the other side of things. If im a coach and I see what Cuonzo has done here, especially with injuries and all that in the first couple years in building this program to a top 10 ranking form 4 years ago when we won like 8 total games, and that dude gets bought out (fired) after making the tournament? Like hell im interested in going there, imo.
Let’s invest the money in resources in wrestling. Will we get return on the money? No but at least we will be good
Cuonzo is Gary Pinkel pre-Chase Daniel. He's rescued the program from the debacle of the previous regime. His recruiting has been improved over the previous regime but kind of disappointing overall (especially when you take away year 1). The program is respectable, but certainly nothing to write home about.
Does Zo find an underrated, undervalued three-star recruit that comes in and changes the program? I'm rooting for Zo to succeed here but the evidence is not exactly trending in the right direction.
Does Zo find an underrated, undervalued three-star recruit that comes in and changes the program? I'm rooting for Zo to succeed here but the evidence is not exactly trending in the right direction.
I didn't say he's earned an extension. I said he's earned the next year or two to find out
Houston made 1 NCAA tournament from 1992-2017, and now they are much better than us. It is evidence of how quickly a great coach can turn things around.
You make more sense more often than 99% of the people here.
