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TEN MIZZOU THOUGHTS FOR MONDAY

GabeD

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1. I get the "Oh my God, just think where we would be if we hadn't blown the Kentucky and South Carolina games" attitude. Really, I do. But it's also worthless. You can't change the past. Plus, if Missouri loses to Kentucky, do they come out with the same fire they had at Florida? Or are they happy with themselves and they look more like they looked at Vandy? We don't know. So it's all well and good to say if they won those two they're 10-2 and in the mix for the NY6 bowls. But you're ignoring that they were one play from losing to Purdue and Vanderbilt and you're ignoring that if you change game five, you might change game nine. I do understand lamenting what could have been (and trust me, the people in the program feel the same way), but this is still a good season. It's not a great one, but it's definitely a good one.

2. Right now, Missouri is somewhere between the fourth and the sixth best team in the SEC. Alabama, Georgia and LSU are better. I'd put Missouri in the mix with Mississippi State and Texas A&M on that next tier. Florida probably belongs in that discussion too, but I think the other three are playing better RIGHT NOW. Clearly Missouri is playing better than the Gators are right now based on what happened three weeks ago.

3. Barry Odom challenged the fans Saturday night


He's right, you know. This team deserves people to show up. I know it's the day after Thanksgiving. I know it's probably going to be a little chilly and the game's on TV and it's easy to watch it instead. But the coach is buying tickets and you can get lower level seats on Seatgeek for as little as $43 and Mizzou is running some specials. This team has done what it needed to do to earn some support. It's won seven games and hammered Tennessee and Florida and been right there with every team it has played except Alabama and it's done its part. Now it's the fans turn to do theirs. At this point, I think anything under 50,000 would really be disappointing.

Part of the reason for that is this senior class. These guys have been through some stuff, now. Not a single one of them had anything to do with 2015 or with Gary Pinkel retiring or Mack Rhoades skipping town or hiring Barry Odom or anything else. They took some lumps on the field, largely because they were asked to be major contributors before they were ready. But they've come through it. Here's a list of every senior and just a quick hit about each guy (we'll write more about this later in the week):

Drew Lock: Was he everything everyone hoped he would be? Maybe not quite, at least in terms of wins and losses. But he's playing really well right now. He's the second leading passer in the history of the SEC and you don't get there without being pretty damn good. He's a great representative for this program and will continue to be. And with some of the hell he took in his first two and a half years, he deserves a big sendoff Saturday

Terry Beckner: He fought through injuries and he became a huge leader on this team. Before this season, I talked to a couple coaches and they told me he was probably the best locker room guy they had. He's the guy Mizzou should hold up to every single person in St. Louis who says Mizzou hasn't done right by St. Louis players.

Cam Hilton: He's taken a lot of hell here. But all he's ever done is do whatever the coaches asked him to do. Every week somebody screamed for him to be benched, but he kept on starting. It's not an accident. It's not like coaches are playing guys who are worse than other guys.

Rashad Brandon: Juco guy who hasn't been here as long as the others, but has made some plays when he's been out there. He's dealt with a lot this year off the field.

Terez Hall: If Lock isn't the toughest senior to replace, Hall is. Really good player and a really fun kid to talk to as well. He'll be missed at media day and on game day.

Corey Fatony: Whoever Missouri's next punter is, he will not have the swagger (or the biceps) Fatony has.

Nate Anderson: Really good kid who has started quite a few games and made some plays. He'll miss the first half, but will get to play in the second.

Emanuel Hall: He wasn't even a starter until midway through last year and he turned into the most important player in the history of the program (I mean, look at the difference when he's on the field and when he isn't). Good dude, deserves to have a big day.

Walter Palmore: Missouri's gonna miss him. Played the best game of his career last weekend.

Brandon Lee: Multi-year starter who is everything you want a college athlete to be. He's working on a Master's Degree, he's never been in trouble and he's a hard worker. Not an all-star, but a solid player.

Tavon Ross: Great program guy. Special teams dynamo. His coaches and teammates just rave about the dude.

Nate Brown: Kind of like Brandon Lee. He's battled injury, gone about his business and done everything he's been asked. Not a star, but a kid you like having in your program.

Kendall Blanton: See above. Never was the guy, but never complained and has done everything he's asked. He'll get a shot in a camp next year too, I think.

Samson Bailey: Ditto what I said about Blanton and Brown. His big catch down the middle was one of the fun moments of the year.

Kevin Pendleton: Really good guy to talk to and a solid starter over the last couple of seasons. A lot of guys would probably have missed a lot more time than he has this year dealing with bumps and bruises.

Paul Adams: Great rep for the program. He hasn't had his best year, but he's still a very good player and a guy that came from out of state and now bleeds black and gold.

Dominic Nelson/Finis Stribling/Roderick Winters: Guys that stuck it out despite never really getting a chance to have that hard work rewarded on the field. Nelson and Stribling have contributed on special teams this season.

4. Let's talk bowl games. I still think the Music City is most likely because that's where Mizzou will send the most fans. More people win by putting Mizzou in Nashville and sending Mississippi State and Auburn to Florida, in my opinion. But the Taxslayer and the Outback are in the picture as well. All other things being equal, I'd love to see Penn State in the Outback Bowl, but I'm not sure the Nittany Lions will end up there. Michigan State and Wisconsin would be okay. The Music City would be NC State or Miami or Boston College probably. None of those games really gets my blood boiling, but at least it's a matchup we don't see much. I don't have a lot of desire to do an Oklahoma State or Iowa remix. I've seen those games. So my hope (from the perspective of the game) is Tampa. My prediction is Nashville.

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6. Great win by Mizzou hoops yesterday and they face Kansas State in the Paradise Jam final at 6:30 tonight. They've achieved what you'd have wanted out of this tournament. Two wins and now they test themselves against a top 15 team. I don't expect them to win, but you'd like to see them compete and have a chance with ten minutes to play. If they do that, Cuonzo Martin and his team should come back from the Virgin Islands very happy, have a good Thanksgiving and get ready for Temple on Monday, which should be a good game.

7. Kevin Puryear and Jordan Geist are going to be big for this team. They're so young, they're going to need the guys who have been through it before to guide them. Geist and Puryear have. They'll lead the team in minutes this season for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Puryear led them in rebounding. And at the end of his time here, Geist is gonna be a guy that people appreciate more than they did while he was here.

8. What to watch this week:

Started a new series called "The Kominsky Method" on Netflix last night. Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin star. It's entertaining. Good time waster until football starts later this week.

9. What to read:

Ben Hochman traces Montee Ball's path from football star to prison to sobriety. Good story here.

Ross Dellenger: Did Kansas make the right hire? Les Miles doesn't care what you think. Ross knows Miles pretty well. I'd be willing to bet this is pretty good.

The Watcher, a haunted house/real estate nightmare story for The Cut

America's 38 Essential Restaurants for Eater. I love food. I love trying new places. I'm reading this story.

10. A final holiday week thought. This has nothing to do with Missouri. It's Thanksgiving. It's my favorite holiday of the year because I love any day that is built around me opening champagne bottles before noon, eating obscene amounts of food and sitting on my ass watching football all day.

The best part of the meal is the stuffing. The most underrated part of the meal is the cranberries (my wife makes ours with bourbon and orange peel and it's phenomenal). You throw those two things on a roll with some turkey and I could eat leftover sandwiches for every meal until Christmas. The pies are pecan and pumpkin. The drinks are some combination of champagne, bourbon, Boulevard and Logboat.

I hope you all get to spend the day with your loved ones and enjoy it. We snipe on here, we get fed up, sometimes we act like we hate each other, but for a lot of people, this is a community where they've found common ground, where they've made friends, where they've lost people like Hoon Kim and found people like Riley Maher and where a lot of good things happen. November is the month where us crusty, cynical assholes in the media get fed up more than any other. Between football and basketball, I've seen more of Dave Matter, Alex Schiffer and Mitchell Forde than I have of my wife and kids this month (They're all nice guys and friends of mine, but come on, that's not what any of us want). But in the end, if you'd handed 18 year old me a sheet of paper and said write down what you want to get paid to do for the rest of your life, I'm pretty much doing it. And that ain't bad. So I'm thankful for that and for you guys making it possible by spending some of your spare change here every month. Read these paragraphs closely. It's unknown the next time I'll be so nice to you all.
 
To your point about wins and losses. What kind of talent is on this team and what should we have expected from that?

I think talent wise, this is a 10-2 or 9-3 team. The biggest issue is with our pass rush and secondary. The Purdue game is one that is tough as they were the only team to really just throw the ball. The others basically tried to establish a run and I think that plays into Mizzou’s hands.

It’s disppointing bc 10 win seasons don’t come around very often to Mizzou much less anyone outside of Bama.

The coaching staff is here to stay so I certainly hope they improve. I think at least 1 loss is solely their fault(USC). Kentucky it is close but truly awful refs. Georgia is another that I think a better prepared team at least makes it a 1 score game.

That being said, the staff needs to close Kelly Bryant. Everything is here for him to succeed and much of Mizzou’s outlook is predicated on a solid QB option for next year. It’s on the level of DGB, Sheldon, and TBJr in terms of gets.
 
More good news that I'm sure Gabe knew. Jonathan Nance (Grad transfer from Arkansas) was DM'ing with a Mizzou fan on twitter and was asked if he'd be announcing soon. He responded with, "great news coming for you guys soon!" Another receiver added to the mix.
 
As one of the people who fits into #1, I'm not ignoring the fact we nearly lost to Purdue and Vandy. Which is why I'm still not pro-extension. :) We're as close to 6-6 as we are to 10-2. Which means you wait a year.
 
Great stuff. Agreed with almost every word ... until you list me with the "champagne on Thanksgiving" part. Odd fit.
 
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1. I get the "Oh my God, just think where we would be if we hadn't blown the Kentucky and South Carolina games" attitude. Really, I do. But it's also worthless. You can't change the past. Plus, if Missouri loses to Kentucky, do they come out with the same fire they had at Florida? Or are they happy with themselves and they look more like they looked at Vandy? We don't know. So it's all well and good to say if they won those two they're 10-2 and in the mix for the NY6 bowls. But you're ignoring that they were one play from losing to Purdue and Vanderbilt and you're ignoring that if you change game five, you might change game nine. I do understand lamenting what could have been (and trust me, the people in the program feel the same way), but this is still a good season. It's not a great one, but it's definitely a good one.

1. As fans, we can't really change the future either. We heard, including from you, for several years into Kim Anderson's tenure about Frank Haith and his failures contributing to the status of the program. I get the gist of it, but it's a message board. We don't change much of anything on here.

2. The Vandy game was different, as we trailed much of that game, so that point is well taken. It was a nice comeback. But looking at the other three (Purdue, Kentucky, and USC) in addition and thinking, "well, we split, that's average." That's neglecting the point that Mizzou held 10+ point leads in those three games, and held a fourth quarter lead in each. It's not just about the final score, it's about what happened getting there.

3. Butterfly effect is impossible to predict, so I agree with that. But what we can almost certainly say, is that teams 12-20 in last weeks CFP rankings now hold 3+ losses. A 2 loss Mizzou team is almost assuredly looking at an access bowl, a rarity for this program. That's a massive swing from the still respectable bowls we're looking at right now.

4. An 8 win regular season is certainly acceptable. Even as a skeptic, I admitted as much before the season. I'm not moving the goalposts now.
 
Good point on Hall.....the team is MUCH better with him. You could make a strong argument that the difference in SC and UK games is Hall playing
 
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6. Great win by Mizzou hoops yesterday and they face Kansas State in the Paradise Jam final at 6:30 tonight. They've achieved what you'd have wanted out of this tournament. Two wins and now they test themselves against a top 15 team. I don't expect them to win, but you'd like to see them compete and have a chance with ten minutes to play. If they do that, Cuonzo Martin and his team should come back from the Virgin Islands very happy, have a good Thanksgiving and get ready for Temple on Monday, which should be a good game.

7. Kevin Puryear and Jordan Geist are going to be big for this team. They're so young, they're going to need the guys who have been through it before to guide them. Geist and Puryear have. They'll lead the team in minutes this season for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Puryear led them in rebounding. And at the end of his time here, Geist is gonna be a guy that people appreciate more than they did while he was here.

8. What to watch this week:

Started a new series called "The Kominsky Method" on Netflix last night. Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin star. It's entertaining. Good time waster until football starts later this week.

9. What to read:

Ben Hochman traces Montee Ball's path from football star to prison to sobriety. Good story here.

Ross Dellenger: Did Kansas make the right hire? Les Miles doesn't care what you think. Ross knows Miles pretty well. I'd be willing to bet this is pretty good.

The Watcher, a haunted house/real estate nightmare story for The Cut

America's 38 Essential Restaurants for Eater. I love food. I love trying new places. I'm reading this story.

10. A final holiday week thought. This has nothing to do with Missouri. It's Thanksgiving. It's my favorite holiday of the year because I love any day that is built around me opening champagne bottles before noon, eating obscene amounts of food and sitting on my ass watching football all day.

The best part of the meal is the stuffing. The most underrated part of the meal is the cranberries (my wife makes ours with bourbon and orange peel and it's phenomenal). You throw those two things on a roll with some turkey and I could eat leftover sandwiches for every meal until Christmas. The pies are pecan and pumpkin. The drinks are some combination of champagne, bourbon, Boulevard and Logboat.

I hope you all get to spend the day with your loved ones and enjoy it. We snipe on here, we get fed up, sometimes we act like we hate each other, but for a lot of people, this is a community where they've found common ground, where they've made friends, where they've lost people like Hoon Kim and found people like Riley Maher and where a lot of good things happen. November is the month where us crusty, cynical assholes in the media get fed up more than any other. Between football and basketball, I've seen more of Dave Matter, Alex Schiffer and Mitchell Forde than I have of my wife and kids this month (They're all nice guys and friends of mine, but come on, that's not what any of us want). But in the end, if you'd handed 18 year old me a sheet of paper and said write down what you want to get paid to do for the rest of your life, I'm pretty much doing it. And that ain't bad. So I'm thankful for that and for you guys making it possible by spending some of your spare change here every month. Read these paragraphs closely. It's unknown the next time I'll be so nice to you all.
 
6. Great win by Mizzou hoops yesterday and they face Kansas State in the Paradise Jam final at 6:30 tonight. They've achieved what you'd have wanted out of this tournament. Two wins and now they test themselves against a top 15 team. I don't expect them to win, but you'd like to see them compete and have a chance with ten minutes to play. If they do that, Cuonzo Martin and his team should come back from the Virgin Islands very happy, have a good Thanksgiving and get ready for Temple on Monday, which should be a good game.

7. Kevin Puryear and Jordan Geist are going to be big for this team. They're so young, they're going to need the guys who have been through it before to guide them. Geist and Puryear have. They'll lead the team in minutes this season for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Puryear led them in rebounding. And at the end of his time here, Geist is gonna be a guy that people appreciate more than they did while he was here.

8. What to watch this week:

Started a new series called "The Kominsky Method" on Netflix last night. Michael Douglas and Alan Arkin star. It's entertaining. Good time waster until football starts later this week.

9. What to read:

Ben Hochman traces Montee Ball's path from football star to prison to sobriety. Good story here.

Ross Dellenger: Did Kansas make the right hire? Les Miles doesn't care what you think. Ross knows Miles pretty well. I'd be willing to bet this is pretty good.

The Watcher, a haunted house/real estate nightmare story for The Cut

America's 38 Essential Restaurants for Eater. I love food. I love trying new places. I'm reading this story.

10. A final holiday week thought. This has nothing to do with Missouri. It's Thanksgiving. It's my favorite holiday of the year because I love any day that is built around me opening champagne bottles before noon, eating obscene amounts of food and sitting on my ass watching football all day.

The best part of the meal is the stuffing. The most underrated part of the meal is the cranberries (my wife makes ours with bourbon and orange peel and it's phenomenal). You throw those two things on a roll with some turkey and I could eat leftover sandwiches for every meal until Christmas. The pies are pecan and pumpkin. The drinks are some combination of champagne, bourbon, Boulevard and Logboat.

I hope you all get to spend the day with your loved ones and enjoy it. We snipe on here, we get fed up, sometimes we act like we hate each other, but for a lot of people, this is a community where they've found common ground, where they've made friends, where they've lost people like Hoon Kim and found people like Riley Maher and where a lot of good things happen. November is the month where us crusty, cynical assholes in the media get fed up more than any other. Between football and basketball, I've seen more of Dave Matter, Alex Schiffer and Mitchell Forde than I have of my wife and kids this month (They're all nice guys and friends of mine, but come on, that's not what any of us want). But in the end, if you'd handed 18 year old me a sheet of paper and said write down what you want to get paid to do for the rest of your life, I'm pretty much doing it. And that ain't bad. So I'm thankful for that and for you guys making it possible by spending some of your spare change here every month. Read these paragraphs closely. It's unknown the next time I'll be so nice to you all.
I agree with every word you wrote...this week's column couldn't have been written any better...
 
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good thoughts Gabe tho I will disagree with a couple of things. One is how they lost those two games, were extremely preventable just by doing average coaching moves, not brain surgery. Plus is in Purdue game which people have of course forgotten a couple of unconventional 4th down plays and decisions that won the game for them. but it makes it even worse when they had brain farts in SC and especially the KY game. No matter what Barry and staff's motivation, preperation and execution in final 3 games was Excellent coaching and deserves praise. No quit in these tigers and especially FL game could have been just bad but wasn't. Along with the defensive performance on the road against TN where even the two biggest pass plays were CONTESTED HARD by Tigers DB's and overall D's play gives HOPE for next season, maybe the maligned Walters IS getting a clue. We all should be thankful for this team and how it finished, was entertaining.
 
Quick note on Tavon Ross. Think it was Georgia and Alabama that came in late to offer him and he still came to Mizzou. He’s had multiple acl surgeries and at least one shoulder, his time here at least on the field probably didn’t pan out the way he thought. He’s been a team guy the whole time and busts his ass on special teams and when he’s on D, and is by all accounts a great kid. Hope he has a great final home game.
 
Happy Thanksgiving to you Gabe.
Happy Thanksgiving to the staff.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the PMers.
Be safe and smart.
 
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I hate to lose as much as watching us smoke a cupcake by half a hundred. I want to watch a great/exciting game even if we lose knowing we will win some of them. 2-2 in one season was very stimulating even though I thought we should have went 4-0. I am thankful for these wild/bizarre experiences.
 
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The weather on Friday looks like it's going to be in the high 40s, which is not bad, given how cold it's been for this game in the past.

Rain though all day. Ugh. I already have family members questioning brining my son & nephews.

Pray the rain holds off!
 
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With respect to stuffing, what are the requirements? My girlfriend's mom makes it with cornbread so it is quite dry. I say that is un-American and that they should move to Russia. Thoughts @GabeD?

Obviously if you side with me, I will show her. But that shouldn't stop you from siding with me...she already hates this website and you by extension.
 
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Another thing not mentioned on Cam Hilton he was recruited as a WR and moved to safety do to lack of depth. I think he could have been a good WR he always seemed to have good ball skills he just struggled to be in the right position. Just another reason the criticism he takes is a little bit much. He deserves appreciation for his 4 years here.
 
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With respect to stuffing, what are the requirements? My girlfriend's mom makes it with cornbread so it is quite dry. I say that is un-American and that they should move to Russia. Thoughts @GabeD?

Obviously if you side with me, I will show her. But that shouldn't stop you from siding with me...she already hates this website and you by extension.

I've never had cornbread stuffing. We always go with white bread, celery, some apples. I can't say I said with you necessarily because I've never tried her version, but your recommendation did not make me want to.
 
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