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The Big Beautiful Wall is Back!

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Can't spell Wall without Democrats taking two L's.

"There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas pursuant to sections 102(a) and 102(b) of [the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996]," Mayorkas said.

The administration had put a halt to new border wall construction in early 2021, after Biden had promised as a presidential candidate that there would "not be another foot of wall constructed on my administration." The administration said wall construction under the Trump administration was "just one example of the prior administration’s misplaced priorities and failure to manage migration in a safe, orderly and humane way."

 
2017 libs: Trump thinks that walls are going to fix immigration issues? Heh...how gauche!
2023 libs: Gotta build more of that wall to keep the poor brown people out!
 
I’m not anti wall in and of itself. I’ve just thought it was stupid that it’s been painted by Trumpers as a magical cure all.

It also didn’t help that Trump used it to tap into the poor and uneducated dems and xenophobic republicans’ fear of Mexicans coming into America, as a way of showing that he was going to protect them from the bogeyman.
 
I’m not anti wall in and of itself. I’ve just thought it was stupid that it’s been painted by Trumpers as a magical cure all.

It also didn’t help that Trump used it to tap into the poor and uneducated dems and xenophobic republicans’ fear of Mexicans coming into America, as a way of showing that he was going to protect them from the bogeyman.
Trump was trying to protect the immigrants with the wall. Most women and girls are raped in the current system. An orderly system would prevent this. He was tapping into those of us that oppose rape.
 
There will be an effort by the esteemed press secretary to explain this away, retract it or declare that there has been a huge* misunderstanding. There is no way in hell that the "Open Borders" Biden Administration will actually construct a wall to restrict entry on the southern border.



*While I realize that the accepted PM spelling is "hugh" I have nonetheless opted for the accepted Webster's spelling.
 
I’m not anti wall in and of itself. I’ve just thought it was stupid that it’s been painted by Trumpers as a magical cure all.

It also didn’t help that Trump used it to tap into the poor and uneducated dems and xenophobic republicans’ fear of Mexicans coming into America, as a way of showing that he was going to protect them from the bogeyman.
To blame Trump for all the anxiety I think is a bit rich... a lot of that was brought on by Dems.... calling it "immoral" comes to mind. Specifically Nancy Pelosi said that.
 
I don't know that it's a great solution, or that it isn't.

I do know that the sentiment and coverage of this issue is peak 2000's. Immigration is a major problem. Trump was right for singling it out. Dems were wrong for their response.
 
I don't know that it's a great solution, or that it isn't.

I do know that the sentiment and coverage of this issue is peak 2000's. Immigration is a major problem. Trump was right for singling it out. Dems were wrong for their response.
Is ignoring something a response?

It's been as issue for 50+ years.
 
I can't believe the administration pulled the rug out from under the OT liberal alibi artists. Hinkle and Ras assured us that it would be stupid and fruitless to build a wall with ladders scaling it and tunnels for trucks under it.

Simultaneously Mayorkis announces they are doing away with all the bullshit red tape to build a wall immediately.

God it is fun to watch libs support the dumbest and most dangerous acts ever when it comes to border security AFTER their puppeteers yielded to pressure from within dem circles.
 
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I can't believe the administration pulled the rug out from under the OT liberal alibi artists. Hinkle and Ras assured us that it would be stupid and fruitless to build a wall with ladders scaling it and tunnels for trucks under it.
This is your issue, you keep thinking the wall would be a magic cure all. Will it help? Sure. But those things are still going to happen.
 
LMAO. Wait for it. They will somehow say how they never said there shouldnt be a wall. And it is gonna get blamed on Trump on why it wasnt finished.
It’s not a panacea. Idk how many times I’ve said on this board I’d give the wall in exchange for overhauling immigration to make the process make reasonable sense and match that of our allies and similarly situated economic partners.
 
Lol the libs that spouted the company line now say walls aren't worthless. You are the same full of bs flip flopping ideologues that your liberal leaders WERE.

Recall "Not one single inch of wall will be built under my administration "
Coupled with stopping remain in Mexico and "Come to the border and apply for asylum and we will assure humane fair treatment t"

7..6 million illegal aliens later and democrat leaders seeing polls and screaming like mashed cats the Biden administration " We are building a wall and ignoring all those stupid regulations we insisted on before a wall could be built because we are going to lose elections in 2024"

And here the local whiners cone bitching about me and saying "it might help a little"

Last night same libs were claiming it was worthless with ladders and tunnels making it useless. Now they are babbling cause the administration totally reversed course. That's okay boys, he will let you down again before next Nov.
 
Lol the libs that spouted the company line now say walls aren't worthless. You are the same full of bs flip flopping ideologues that your liberal leaders WERE.

Recall "Not one single inch of wall will be built under my administration "
Coupled with stopping remain in Mexico and "Come to the border and apply for asylum and we will assure humane fair treatment t"

7..6 million illegal aliens later and democrat leaders seeing polls and screaming like mashed cats the Biden administration " We are building a wall and ignoring all those stupid regulations we insisted on before a wall could be built because we are going to lose elections in 2024"

And here the local whiners cone bitching about me and saying "it might help a little"

Last night same libs were claiming it was worthless with ladders and tunnels making it useless. Now they are babbling cause the administration totally reversed course. That's okay boys, he will let you down again before next Nov.
You either are the worst troll ever or really just don’t even read, do you?
 
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I can't believe the administration pulled the rug out from under the OT liberal alibi artists. Hinkle and Ras assured us that it would be stupid and fruitless to build a wall with ladders scaling it and tunnels for trucks under it.

Simultaneously Mayorkis announces they are doing away with all the bullshit red tape to build a wall immediately.

God it is fun to watch libs support the dumbest and most dangerous acts ever when it comes to border security AFTER their puppeteers yielded to pressure from within dem circles.
Hypocrite Dems. Fun to watch them squirm
 
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Biden 2024: Nothing I can do about that

Yes..it is a hoot to see Mayorkis cut away all regulations that would delay a project into the 2030s, but claim because of the immediate need for the overwhelming numbers a barrier is needed immediately.

Totally in conflict with what Mayorkis said 2 months ago and Biden always says.

So today Biden said "the Republicans did this it is out of my hands"

This from same guy that takes all failing issues to the Supreme Court, is directly contradicting his Homeland Security chief and saying walls don't work

You can't have it both ways.

Today's press conference was the first I have seen anyone but fox question total bullshit that KJP was spewing. NOBODY was buying "The Republicans made ne do it " line .

Sorry libs, your guy went out on that progressive limb and it has been sawed off.

Dems get a lot of money from. SOROS for open borders and no prosecution prosecutors..but the voters get a say. It's coming soon..thus this flip flop.
 
Lol the libs that spouted the company line now say walls aren't worthless. You are the same full of bs flip flopping ideologues that your liberal leaders WERE.

Recall "Not one single inch of wall will be built under my administration "
Coupled with stopping remain in Mexico and "Come to the border and apply for asylum and we will assure humane fair treatment t"

7..6 million illegal aliens later and democrat leaders seeing polls and screaming like mashed cats the Biden administration " We are building a wall and ignoring all those stupid regulations we insisted on before a wall could be built because we are going to lose elections in 2024"

And here the local whiners cone bitching about me and saying "it might help a little"

Last night same libs were claiming it was worthless with ladders and tunnels making it useless. Now they are babbling cause the administration totally reversed course. That's okay boys, he will let you down again before next Nov.
Do you need your diaper changed?
 
Do you need your diaper changed?
No just because you have those incontinence issues doesn't mean the rest of us do. I'm just enjoying you libs contorting yourselves into pretzels to explain the flip flop on building a border wall and claim Trump made them do it. Maybe you should find some extra absorbent depends, this could get really fun with all the dems in Mexico begging "please make it stop" .
 
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No just because you have those incontinence issues doesn't mean the rest of us do. I'm just enjoying you libs contorting yourselves into pretzels to explain the flip flop on building a border wall and claim Trump made them do it. Maybe you should find some extra absorbent depends, this could get really fun with all the dems in Mexico begging "please make it stop" .
I’m not contorting anything. You’re so desperate for validation you make shit up. Did you not get your animal crackers today?
 
My concern is that it's not really a border wall, but more of a corridor to make it easier to enter the country without having to deal with rivers or agro land owners. Like a Hallway to Citizenship instead of a pathway.
 
It’s not a panacea. Idk how many times I’ve said on this board I’d give the wall in exchange for overhauling immigration to make the process make reasonable sense and match that of our allies and similarly situated economic partners.

Okay fine, explain what doesn’t make sense. We will start the conversation from there.
 
Okay fine, explain what doesn’t make sense. We will start the conversation from there.
First, sustained growth in immigration is essential to our economic growth. We don’t reproduce at a rate which ensures continued economic growth without immigration and despite our lack of a navigable immigration system, we are still attractive to big chunks of the world because of our economic power. If we’re dependent on immigrants, we should probably make that system manageable for immigrants.

Trump’s immigration policies were anti-legal immigration. His administration made it harder to get here legally and reduced legal immigration by hundreds of thousands of people a year. It did that through adding significant governmental review - that means significant cost in your tax dollars - for what was a negative economic return as the market of available labor shrank.

But, Trump’s additional policies aside, I’ll give you two personal stories that demonstrate how stupid our system is.

Story #1) I went to Mizzou undergrad for dual degrees in economics and political science. Also in the Econ program with me was my friend Andrick. Andrick was from an affluent family in Mexico City and had straight As and was active in research at the university. He drew interest from numerous investment banks and went on many interviews but despite his excellent resume it was impossible for him to get a job here because no company would pay to sponsor his H1B visa.

Our visa process has two avenues: temporary and permanent. The permanent visa route is more or less a lottery and limited to just roughly 140,000 people annually. And those people still must fit into specific application categories. The temporary visa route is simpler but time limited and still requires an employer to sponsor - again, time and paperwork means significant cost.

So, despite my choice to dick around in college and have fun and Andrick’s desire to do research, I was employable and he was not. He was faced with two choices, neither of which he wanted to do: 1) go back to Mexico City, or 2) pay to go to grad school and increase his expertise so he wouldn’t be applying for entry-level positions.

He chose option 2, and despite all that still ended up getting hired in an ag Econ firm and having to go back to Mexico before finally coming back to the US for a time-limited visa. Of course, every time limited visa requires a re-application for a new one. (Again, read unnecessary cost to the business as well as you, the taxpayer.)

We finished undergrad in 2013, and as of the last I spoke with him a year ago he was still without a green card and hoping to get one this coming year.

Trump told everyone (read: lied) that he was going to make the process about ensuring America brings the best. Well, here’s a kid from an affluent family, that is US educated, fluent in English, conducted research here, and wants to be here and take jobs that wanted him, but the system tells him to leave the United States and take his talent to another country. That’s insane. That’s why roughly 50% of “illegal immigrants” are just people who came here legally and overstayed their temporary work visas.

Story #2) I have a good friend who is an Afghan War veteran. While he was there he was a Pashto interpreter and worked with Afghan men who fought for the United States against the Taliban. These Afghans were critical to the war effort providing knowledge about the area, acting as interpreters, and fighting alongside our troops. They had a special visa process to be granted green cards, but also faced additional scrutiny during the Trump era. Despite recommendations from the necessary army leadership and a clean record, my friend’s Afghan friends had their initial paperwork denied for some missing documentation. One of them even has parents who have US green cards. This is supposedly the kind of bureaucracy I’m told Republicans hate.

During the process of acquiring the additional documentation the Taliban retake Afghanistan and the country falls.

At that point, it became a race against time. The Taliban were sure to kill any Afghan fighters who fought alongside the U.S. as well as their families. One of my friend’s friends had already survived an assassination attempt a few years prior.

My friend works for the state of Missouri, has connections with the federal government, and is an expert at getting people out of hostile situations. He still had contacts in Afghanistan and spent a couple sleepless weeks on international calls and on calls with military contacts. He was successfully able to get his friends and their immediate family - wives, brother, and kids - out of Afghanistan and smuggle them into a neighboring country.

But they still faced the issue of where do they go? The obvious answer is the United States. A country they fought and were literally willing to die for. A place where people speak English, a language the men know. A place where they already have family. And a country where they already had military recommendations to get a visa from.

Well, guess what, the big awesome federal government’s immigration policies, despite all of the bullshit they went through for the United States and the fact that the United States failed exit from Afghanistan put their lives at risk, still didn’t permit them to come here.

You know who did? Canada. A country they did nothing for. The two men and their families are now there and, as of about 6 months ago, still trying to figure out a way to see their parents.

Our system is broken and encourages illegal immigration.

If you want to read about what kinds of visas are available, do that here: Visas
 
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First, sustained growth in immigration is essential to our economic growth. We don’t reproduce at a rate which ensures continued economic growth without immigration and despite our lack of a navigable immigration system, we are still attractive to big chunks of the world because of our economic power. If we’re dependent on immigrants, we should probably make that system manageable for immigrants.

Trump’s immigration policies were anti-legal immigration. His administration made it harder to get here legally and reduced legal immigration by hundreds of thousands of people a year. It did that through adding significant governmental review - that means significant cost in your tax dollars - for what was a negative economic return as the market of available labor shrank.

But, Trump’s additional policies aside, I’ll give you two personal stories that demonstrate how stupid our system is.

Story #1) I went to Mizzou undergrad for dual degrees in economics and political science. Also in the Econ program with me was my friend Andrick. Andrick was from an affluent family in Mexico City and had straight As and was active in research at the university. He drew interest from numerous investment banks and went on many interviews but despite his excellent resume it was impossible for him to get a job here because no company would pay to sponsor his H1B visa.

Our visa process has two avenues: temporary and permanent. The permanent visa route is more or less a lottery and limited to just roughly 140,000 people annually. And those people still must fit into specific application categories. The temporary visa route is simpler but time limited and still requires an employer to sponsor - again, time and paperwork means significant cost.

So, despite my choice to dick around in college and have fun and Andrick’s desire to do research, I was employable and he was not. He was faced with two choices, neither of which he wanted to do: 1) go back to Mexico City, or 2) pay to go to grad school and increase his expertise so he wouldn’t be applying for entry-level positions.

He chose option 2, and despite all that still ended up getting hired in an ag Econ firm and having to go back to Mexico before finally coming back to the US for a time-limited visa. Of course, every time limited visa requires a re-application for a new one. (Again, read unnecessary cost to the business as well as you, the taxpayer.)

We finished undergrad in 2013, and as of the last I spoke with him a year ago he was still without a green card and hoping to get one this coming year.

Trump told everyone (read: lied) that he was going to make the process about ensuring America brings the best. Well, here’s a kid from an affluent family, that is US educated, fluent in English, conducted research here, and wants to be here and take jobs that wanted him, but the system tells him to leave the United States and take his talent to another country. That’s insane. That’s why roughly 50% of “illegal immigrants” are just people who came here legally and overstayed their temporary work visas.

Story #2) I have a good friend who is an Afghan War veteran. While he was there he was a Pashto interpreter and worked with Afghan men who fought for the United States against the Taliban. These Afghans were critical to the war effort providing knowledge about the area, acting as interpreters, and fighting alongside our troops. They had a special visa process to be granted green cards, but also faced additional scrutiny during the Trump era. Despite recommendations from the necessary army leadership and a clean record, my friend’s Afghan friends had their initial paperwork denied for some missing documentation. One of them even has parents who have US green cards. This is supposedly the kind of bureaucracy I’m told Republicans hate.

During the process of acquiring the additional documentation the Taliban retake Afghanistan and the country falls.

At that point, it became a race against time. The Taliban were sure to kill any Afghan fighters who fought alongside the U.S. as well as their families. One of my friend’s friends had already survived an assassination attempt a few years prior.

My friend works for the state of Missouri, has connections with the federal government, and is an expert at getting people out of hostile situations. He still had contacts in Afghanistan and spent a couple sleepless weeks on international calls and on calls with military contacts. He was successfully able to get his friends and their immediate family - wives, brother, and kids - out of Afghanistan and smuggle them into a neighboring country.

But they still faced the issue of where do they go? The obvious answer is the United States. A country they fought and were literally willing to die for. A place where people speak English, a language the men know. A place where they already have family. And a country where they already had military recommendations to get a visa from.

Well, guess what, the big awesome federal government’s immigration policies, despite all of the bullshit they went through for the United States and the fact that the United States failed exit from Afghanistan put their lives at risk, still didn’t permit them to come here.

You know who did? Canada. A country they did nothing for. The two men and their families are now there and, as of about 6 months ago, still trying to figure out a way to see their parents.

Our system is broken and encourages illegal immigration.

If you want to read about what kinds of visas are available, do that here: Visas
Joe lies. Told a big one about the wall. Why aren't you outraged?

No one cares about your friends. Good luck to them, but these cases aren't special. Companies are going to sponsor who they want to sponsor and if your friends were truly "special"- they'd have a visa.

You live in fairy tale land.
 
Joe lies. Told a big one about the wall. Why aren't you outraged?

No one cares about your friends. Good luck to them, but these cases aren't special. Companies are going to sponsor who they want to sponsor and if your friends were truly "special"- they'd have a visa.

You live in fairy tale land.
You’re truly a buffoon.
 
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LMAO. Wait for it. They will somehow say how they never said there shouldnt be a wall. And it is gonna get blamed on Trump on why it wasnt finished.
It was stupid for Trump to reduce the entire problem down to one too - a wall. It was stupid for him to share a vision of a big wall from the Pacific to the Gulf when it is really only needed in specific areas.

It was equally stupid for Biden to fall into the same trap by playing politician and taking the 180 degree opposite position.
 
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