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Joe lies. Told a big one about the wall. Why aren't you outraged?

No one cares about your friends. Good luck to them, but these cases aren't special. Companies are going to sponsor who they want to sponsor and if your friends were truly "special"- they'd have a visa.

You live in fairy tale land.
Yet another case of you taking a position because of your emotional bias instead of thoughtful or logical analysis of the point being made. You are batting 1.000 as an emo man-child today.

The funniest part is that I keep asking you for your rational explanation for your positions and you can't be rational. It's like that tool isn't even available in your toolbox.
 
The focus groups for team Biden must have been very negative towards our southern border and current policy.

No way they flip otherwise.

This reminds me of the time Ds fought for slavery, flipped, and now blame the other side. To their credit they have done an outstanding job selling this. Short team I don’t think they fare as well with the wall.
 
The focus groups for team Biden must have been very negative towards our southern border and current policy.

No way they flip otherwise.

This reminds me of the time Ds fought for slavery, flipped, and now blame the other side. To their credit they have done an outstanding job selling this. Short team I don’t think they fare as well with the wall.
Conservatives that regurgitate this are quite amusing.
 
Yet another case of you taking a position because of your emotional bias instead of thoughtful or logical analysis of the point being made. You are batting 1.000 as an emo man-child today.

The funniest part is that I keep asking you for your rational explanation for your positions and you can't be rational. It's like that tool isn't even available in your toolbox.
You need help and a hobby
 
Conservatives that regurgitate this are quite amusing.
The Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, opposed Reconstruction, founded the Ku Klux Klan, imposed segregation, perpetrated lynchings, and fought against the civil rights acts of the 1950s and 1960s.

Like I said, the marketing job they have done to distance themselves from past sins is remarkable. Take the W on this one.

Edit: or get a new name
 
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First, sustained growth in immigration is essential to our economic growth. We don’t reproduce at a rate which ensures continued economic growth without immigration and despite our lack of a navigable immigration system, we are still attractive to big chunks of the world because of our economic power. If we’re dependent on immigrants, we should probably make that system manageable for immigrants.

Trump’s immigration policies were anti-legal immigration. His administration made it harder to get here legally and reduced legal immigration by hundreds of thousands of people a year. It did that through adding significant governmental review - that means significant cost in your tax dollars - for what was a negative economic return as the market of available labor shrank.

But, Trump’s additional policies aside, I’ll give you two personal stories that demonstrate how stupid our system is.

Story #1) I went to Mizzou undergrad for dual degrees in economics and political science. Also in the Econ program with me was my friend Andrick. Andrick was from an affluent family in Mexico City and had straight As and was active in research at the university. He drew interest from numerous investment banks and went on many interviews but despite his excellent resume it was impossible for him to get a job here because no company would pay to sponsor his H1B visa.

Our visa process has two avenues: temporary and permanent. The permanent visa route is more or less a lottery and limited to just roughly 140,000 people annually. And those people still must fit into specific application categories. The temporary visa route is simpler but time limited and still requires an employer to sponsor - again, time and paperwork means significant cost.

So, despite my choice to dick around in college and have fun and Andrick’s desire to do research, I was employable and he was not. He was faced with two choices, neither of which he wanted to do: 1) go back to Mexico City, or 2) pay to go to grad school and increase his expertise so he wouldn’t be applying for entry-level positions.

He chose option 2, and despite all that still ended up getting hired in an ag Econ firm and having to go back to Mexico before finally coming back to the US for a time-limited visa. Of course, every time limited visa requires a re-application for a new one. (Again, read unnecessary cost to the business as well as you, the taxpayer.)

We finished undergrad in 2013, and as of the last I spoke with him a year ago he was still without a green card and hoping to get one this coming year.

Trump told everyone (read: lied) that he was going to make the process about ensuring America brings the best. Well, here’s a kid from an affluent family, that is US educated, fluent in English, conducted research here, and wants to be here and take jobs that wanted him, but the system tells him to leave the United States and take his talent to another country. That’s insane. That’s why roughly 50% of “illegal immigrants” are just people who came here legally and overstayed their temporary work visas.

Story #2) I have a good friend who is an Afghan War veteran. While he was there he was a Pashto interpreter and worked with Afghan men who fought for the United States against the Taliban. These Afghans were critical to the war effort providing knowledge about the area, acting as interpreters, and fighting alongside our troops. They had a special visa process to be granted green cards, but also faced additional scrutiny during the Trump era. Despite recommendations from the necessary army leadership and a clean record, my friend’s Afghan friends had their initial paperwork denied for some missing documentation. One of them even has parents who have US green cards. This is supposedly the kind of bureaucracy I’m told Republicans hate.

During the process of acquiring the additional documentation the Taliban retake Afghanistan and the country falls.

At that point, it became a race against time. The Taliban were sure to kill any Afghan fighters who fought alongside the U.S. as well as their families. One of my friend’s friends had already survived an assassination attempt a few years prior.

My friend works for the state of Missouri, has connections with the federal government, and is an expert at getting people out of hostile situations. He still had contacts in Afghanistan and spent a couple sleepless weeks on international calls and on calls with military contacts. He was successfully able to get his friends and their immediate family - wives, brother, and kids - out of Afghanistan and smuggle them into a neighboring country.

But they still faced the issue of where do they go? The obvious answer is the United States. A country they fought and were literally willing to die for. A place where people speak English, a language the men know. A place where they already have family. And a country where they already had military recommendations to get a visa from.

Well, guess what, the big awesome federal government’s immigration policies, despite all of the bullshit they went through for the United States and the fact that the United States failed exit from Afghanistan put their lives at risk, still didn’t permit them to come here.

You know who did? Canada. A country they did nothing for. The two men and their families are now there and, as of about 6 months ago, still trying to figure out a way to see their parents.

Our system is broken and encourages illegal immigration.

If you want to read about what kinds of visas are available, do that here: Visas
Neither side is interested in fixing the system. Far too many people have had similar experiences like the stories you shared regardless of who's in the White House. The reason why it continues to be a problem is because people eat up the bullshit spewed by their side. Kids in cages is much more salacious than Andrick trying to do things the right way. Ds have put kids in cages, too, but that doesn't get as much coverage as when an R isn't in the White House.

The Ds could solve a lot of the problems we have if they'd be the bigger people. The Rs are a stupid bunch. They'll find a way fµck it up themselves regardless of what the Ds do.
 
The Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, opposed Reconstruction, founded the Ku Klux Klan, imposed segregation, perpetrated lynchings, and fought against the civil rights acts of the 1950s and 1960s.

Like I said, the marketing job they have done to distance themselves from past sins is remarkable. Take the W on this one.
The parties are not the same now as they were back then. The Dems were the conservative party, fighting to conserve the institution of slavery, fought Reconstruction, founded the Klan ect. The GOP was the progressive party.

The parties stand for very different things now, because their bases have switched. Suggesting it's a marketing job, and not a tangible difference is incredibly ignorant. Hence my amusement.
 
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One of President Obama’s top two campaign promises was immigration reform.

In 2008-09 he had a clear path, as he had super majorities in both the HoR and the Senate.

He did absolutely nothing. Unfortunate.
 
The parties are not the same now as they were back then.
We can agree on this. Nothing wrong with admitting doing wrong and changing, especially on slavery.

Now admitting the southern border is a mess and now admitting it is purely political with an election 13 months away.

Focus group ruffled some feathers.

Edit: 1964 was not long ago. 80% of Republicans supported civil rights legislation while 70% of Democrats opposed it. The Ds filibuster record still stands, I think. Amazing marketing job!
 
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Sorry I hurt your feelings.

You’re not special, your friends aren’t special. Just facts.
Ironically, your argument is made dumber by arguing this.

They’re not special. Or unique. They’re everyday examples of how the system is broken and shouldn’t be.

You clearly didn’t read the whole post either.
 
Neither side is interested in fixing the system. Far too many people have had similar experiences like the stories you shared regardless of who's in the White House. The reason why it continues to be a problem is because people eat up the bullshit spewed by their side. Kids in cages is much more salacious than Andrick trying to do things the right way. Ds have put kids in cages, too, but that doesn't get as much coverage as when an R isn't in the White House.

The Ds could solve a lot of the problems we have if they'd be the bigger people. The Rs are a stupid bunch. They'll find a way fµck it up themselves regardless of what the Ds do.
Oh, I completely agree. Which is why I’ve said numerous times the Ds should cut the bullshit on being publicly anti everything on border security.

It’s no different than abortion. Neither side is willing to upset their entrenched ignorant idiots in their base and they raise too much money on the issue.

So nothing gets done.
 
Oh, I completely agree. Which is why I’ve said numerous times the Ds should cut the bullshit on being publicly anti everything on border security.

It’s no different than abortion. Neither side is willing to upset their entrenched ignorant idiots in their base and they raise too much money on the issue.

So nothing gets done.
But it hursts the Rs significantly more than the D’s. See 2022 mid terms as the example.
 
Ironically, your argument is made dumber by arguing this.

They’re not special. Or unique. They’re everyday examples of how the system is broken and shouldn’t be.

You clearly didn’t read the whole post either.
Just because a kid goes to a university in the United States, doesn’t mean they get to be a citizen of the United States
 
Most politicians “evolve” when an issue they are significantly in the minority on is a problem in the next election.

This wall issue is a perfect example.
 
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The parties are not the same now as they were back then. The Dems were the conservative party, fighting to conserve the institution of slavery, fought Reconstruction, founded the Klan ect. The GOP was the progressive party.

The parties stand for very different things now, because their bases have switched. Suggesting it's a marketing job, and not a tangible difference is incredibly ignorant. Hence my amusement.

Yes FDR and JFK were staunch conservatives
 
Yes FDR and JFK were staunch conservatives
The switch was in progress by the time JFK hit office. The reason Black Americans were shut out of many of the New Deal programs was because those conservative held out on passing anything otherwise.

So while FDR was not a conservative, he was held hostage by the conservatives in that party.

This is all basic history that you continue to deny while throwing a tantrum every time this comes up.
 
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This certainly will because both suck and I’d take a fire squad to the nuts before I joined either.

Does having a (D) next to your name make you sleep better?
A party is little more than the name on a jersey.

The players who make up the team are what is important. In Missouri, that’s the jersey I wear because that’s who actually has the people trying to affect sensible positive change. 7 years ago I wore a different jersey.

We’ll see what things look like 7 years from now. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
The switch was in progress by the time JFK hit office. The reason Black Americans were shut out of many of the New Deal programs was because those conservative held out on passing anything otherwise.

So while FDR was not a conservatives, he was held hostage by the conservatives in that party.

This is all basic history that you continue to deny while throwing a tantrum every time this comes up.
Pretty simple history, correct.

The Democratic Party was founded in 1828. Do you agree with this?

Just because they have evolved over time does not mean the past is not part of their history, it certainly is.

I love Bubba Clinton, probably my favorite POTUS of all time. His crime bill was one of the worst things to ever happen to African Americans in recent history. The current Democrats would never pass that bill. However, that fact does not change the fact that Bubba supported and signed that bill.

The parties did basically flip but if you don't think there was a conscience effort by the Democrats to sell that narrative, I think you are ignoring history. Kudos to the Ds for switching on some really bad policy. I think that offends you, but the reality is it's a good thing. The marketing part is the Ds painting the Rs as something they once were, which is not truthful.
 
A party is little more than the name on a jersey.

The players who make up the team are what is important. In Missouri, that’s the jersey I wear because that’s who actually has the people trying to affect sensible positive change. 7 years ago I wore a different jersey.

We’ll see what things look like 7 years from now. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Well, you didn't mention Missouri specifically. Now I wholeheartedly agree with you. Starting from the Govenor and going down the line, the MO GOP is exactly what you said, a bunch of buffoons.

Rural Missouri is really hurting us in JC, legal gambling is a perfect example of it.
 
Well, you didn't mention Missouri specifically. Now I wholeheartedly agree with you. Starting from the Govenor and going down the line, the MO GOP is exactly what you said, a bunch of buffoons.

Rural Missouri is really hurting us in JC, legal gambling is a perfect example of it.
But now you see why it’s just a stupid Republican talking point to say that Dems are the party of slavery or segregation.

People who called themselves Dems then? Sure.

But to say that’s still them is just as silly as saying Mizzou will lose tomorrow because of who wore the jersey 20 years ago.
 
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But now you see why it’s just a stupid Republican talking point to say that Dems are the party of slavery or segregation.

People who called themselves Dems then? Sure.

But to say that’s still them is just as silly as saying Mizzou will lose tomorrow because of who wore the jersey 20 years ago.
No I don’t see that now. I don’t rewrite history. Just because they have evolved does not mean they didn’t what they did, it’s fact.

Is Abe Lincoln a Democrat now?
 
But now you see why it’s just a stupid Republican talking point to say that Dems are the party of slavery or segregation.

People who called themselves Dems then? Sure.

But to say that’s still them is just as silly as saying Mizzou will lose tomorrow because of who wore the jersey 20 years ago.

Democrats should be canceled just like everyone else who has "changed" since they were racist.
 
Well the "racist" tag is a slur used primarily by democrats to denigrate Republicans. Hell highways according to bootyjudge are racist.

Insisting on academic quality education is racist republican notion. Tax cuts are racist.

Now the Republicans were racist for building a wall claimed by all democrats as was the remain in Mexico policy.

I am enjoying the democrats reconcile Biden's flip flop. That racist wall needs to be built so quickly that they pronounced it exempt from 26 environmental and other barriers. The next morning all hell breaks loose and Biden and his terrible liar KJP are claiming "it's the law. Trump made us build it. Woukd you want us to break the law"

So a liberal journalist asked. "What law?"
Kjp says. "I'm not a lawyer you'll have to check with the Justice department"

So AOC has one of her selfie diatribes and bitches about Biden.building a wall and how evil it is. So now I guess Biden is a racist too, but dems and the left only use that for Republicans. It's rich that some object to what was the case in t h e 50s and 60s that was awful being laid on democrats while seeing everything as racist these days when republican ideas which is seldom true.
 
No I don’t see that now. I don’t rewrite history. Just because they have evolved does not mean they didn’t what they did, it’s fact.

Is Abe Lincoln a Democrat now?
What relevance does Abraham Lincoln have to today’s Republican Party other than a jersey?

Is he running for office and leading the party?

You’re being intentionally obtuse.
 
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What relevance does Abraham Lincoln have to today’s Republican Party other than a jersey?

Is he running for office and leading the party?

You’re being intentionally obtuse.
How do you reconcile articulate and clean? That’s your guy? And your dad if you’re honest.
 
What relevance does Abraham Lincoln have to today’s Republican Party other than a jersey?

Is he running for office and leading the party?

You’re being intentionally obtuse.
I’m not familiar with any Republican that’s in favor of slavery, are you?

Facts are facts, if you don’t like the history of the Democrats quit or change the name.
 
1) The Democratic Party’s actions have consistently suppressed Blacks 1840-2023.
2) There were only 3 sitting governors, senators, or congressmen who “switched”parties due to racial issues between 1950-1980.
3) Most of the “switching” due to racial issues occurred at the local, county, and lesser state office levels during this period, rather than on the national or governor levels.
 
Now that we have set a price on American Hostages with Iran, will Hamas move the Americans they took hostage clandestinely to Iran or try to extort us themselves?
 
If the American people actually paid attention they never would have been able to sell off wall materials and sue states to take down conex portions of the walp in the first place.
 
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