Let's say Gates isn't the coach. Your source said he thought they would have the coach hired by Sunday night correct? Was Gates the coach he was talking about or was it someone else?
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Ok, I'm really changing my opinion on this.
Last night I was actually good with Gates. I didn't see enough of a difference between the finalists to get upset that he was the guy...
but, and this is all based on the speculation, Gates is really after the LSU job and is trying to start a bidding war or force Mizzou's hand, then you move on, no question.
Why? As everyone & their dog has pointed out, there's not much difference between all the supposed finalists. Gates isn't worth it compared to KE or McMahon. If he was clearly a better candidate, then yes, you'd play the stupid game & get him, but he's not.
If the Gate's camp is truly trying to leverage the situation for LSU or a much bigger payday, then DRF needs to tell him thanks but no thanks.
Last night I was actually good with Gates. I didn't see enough of a difference between the finalists to get upset that he was the guy...
but, and this is all based on the speculation, Gates is really after the LSU job and is trying to start a bidding war or force Mizzou's hand, then you move on, no question.
Why? As everyone & their dog has pointed out, there's not much difference between all the supposed finalists. Gates isn't worth it compared to KE or McMahon. If he was clearly a better candidate, then yes, you'd play the stupid game & get him, but he's not.
If the Gate's camp is truly trying to leverage the situation for LSU or a much bigger payday, then DRF needs to tell him thanks but no thanks.
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I'd say it's fair that any coach in the Horizon, and particularly one at Cleveland St., would desire a P5 job and pursue one to the best of their ability. There's no shame in that. Beyond that, I suspect the things attributed to Gates and the Big East teams were morel likely a ploy by his agent than Gates communicating that stuff.
Per Kimmie vs Gates. Gates has about 9 more years coaching than Kim. I'd be fine with either, but it's not out of the question that the AD places more value on that longevity than many pining for Kim.
I know its a joke but you dont want DRF at the F4 without a coach. Thats how Alden found Haith.
He went to Missouri. That’s it. Gates is objectively the better candidate.
Interesting stuff with Gates.
His recruiting is the reason Leonard Hamilton has a job. He successfully brought Hamilton’s style to his current job and quickly ascended in that conference. From that perspective, I think it’s fair to believe he would be able to up the level of players he is pulling in at Mizzou and find success.
I think there’s more hand-wringing about this than necessary. But that’s par for the course here.
Golden, Gates, and English are all very similar. I dramatically prefer all as options to Willard or McMahon. With Golden off the board, it’s a matter of whether they want English or Gates. Similar resumes and reasons to hope they work.
I’d lean to Kimmie, personally, because of his connections here and the ability to recruit and hit up NIL. But I also understand wanting him to be a little more seasoned.
His recruiting is the reason Leonard Hamilton has a job. He successfully brought Hamilton’s style to his current job and quickly ascended in that conference. From that perspective, I think it’s fair to believe he would be able to up the level of players he is pulling in at Mizzou and find success.
I think there’s more hand-wringing about this than necessary. But that’s par for the course here.
Golden, Gates, and English are all very similar. I dramatically prefer all as options to Willard or McMahon. With Golden off the board, it’s a matter of whether they want English or Gates. Similar resumes and reasons to hope they work.
I’d lean to Kimmie, personally, because of his connections here and the ability to recruit and hit up NIL. But I also understand wanting him to be a little more seasoned.
Shades of Suitcase Mike Anderson. Gates seems like he'd be shopping for a bigger gig annually.
No he’s not.
At best it’s a push, but KE is a more respected recruiter and has head coach experience at a much better program in a much better conference.
Throw in the fact that he’s an alum and he very likely wants to be here, and there’s no way you can say Gates is objectively better.
It's funny how you subjectively state your opinion as objective facts.
We’ve already decided that Gates is “a snake” and “a liar” and “doesn’t want to be here” because:
1) an anonymous poster on a message board knows a guy who was a coach for another team who apparently had intimate knowledge of his negotiations with another team and <GASP> tried to create leverage in this negotiation.
2) an assumption that his camp is trying to <GASP> create leverage in a negotiation via a national writer
3) an LSU guy said he wants the LSU job. Very atypical for an SEC school to be overconfident.
tough crowd.
1) an anonymous poster on a message board knows a guy who was a coach for another team who apparently had intimate knowledge of his negotiations with another team and <GASP> tried to create leverage in this negotiation.
2) an assumption that his camp is trying to <GASP> create leverage in a negotiation via a national writer
3) an LSU guy said he wants the LSU job. Very atypical for an SEC school to be overconfident.
tough crowd.
Much more respected recruiter according to who? The posters on this board?
Remember. Many posters twist stuff to fit their agenda with little to no facts. And always talk in absolutes. 😂
All the candidates suck..at least the ones that are "speculated" as being candidates. And if accurate, they prove that Mizzou's admin has ZERO interest in being real contenders on the national stage. If Mizzou hires ANY of these stiffs, I'm done with Mizzou basketball. This is a joke.
Listen our RECENT history with “true sons” with lno HC experience at the D1 level is ATROCIOUS. KE after 1yr of HC experience was NEVER going to happen and for gd reason.
Please cite some of the industry soures/coaches comparisons of Gates' vs. English's recruting prowess. I'd love to read them.
Yeah, I agree with that but if he was THE guy those would just be formalities and to Gabe’s point others would have been posting messages about it. Sounds to me that he has not been offered the job yet.
Guess we’ll find out fairly quick now.
Just when I thought the saga had ended… it descends into the usual cluster carnival … lol… maybe I should just stick to my alma mater Missouri Western… a mediocre to poor D2 basketball program that doesn’t have the stress of message board updates and innuendo/rumor.
And if that’s the thought process that went into this decision it is terrifying.
UMKC's coach Billy Donlon was Horizon COY a while back. Who cares?
Road wins against power conference teams. Commits who had P5 offers.
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The vast majority of their agents do, though. The only ones that don’t are elite jobs where there isn’t really anywhere else to go. Everyone on this board wanted Dana Altman, who is known for having his name vaguely attached to every decent high-major over the past few years. If Drink starts having success on the field here, he will do the exact same thing to either a) get a better job or b) get more money from Mizzou. It’s the way of the world.
And even if it is't true, the bozos on this board will still be talking about it as if it were gospel truth 10 years from now.
Who did you have on your list of "realistic" candidates for this job? This search certainly has allowed a lot of posters to go full retard on this board. You sound like a seven year old who isn't getting his way and taking his ball and going home. I'm really interested in all the non-stiffs you think MU could hire this cycle.
The timing of Pete’s report is interesting as Mun Choi was on a dfw to cou flight last night that landed at 10:45 PM. No idea why flying commercial but my friend confirmed it was him.
And it’s very possible Anderson probably has a record over .500 here going into year three…. There’s no reason to dog a guy who has a jock that our guy can’t carry yet 😂🤷🏻♂️
Recent elite recruiting experience at peer programs to Mizzou
SEC experience
Experience working under better X’s and O’s coaches than Leonard Hamilton
HC experience at a program and conference that is much closer to the SEC
Mizzou alum that comes in with a strong understanding and appreciation for our fans, culture, traditions, opportunities, etc.
Relationships in and around Columbia with donors who can facilitate big NIL deals, knowledge of the community, more than likely a better way to relate to young players, etc. I'd actually position it as what does Gates have that Kimmie doesn't?
They are much more similar than not.
Sure some do, but your implication that basically the suitcase Mike strategy is normal and we just have to accept it is not correct. Coaches may selectively do it but not almost every year, and certainly not before they’re even hired.
That was my whole point. Very similar, so why such love for one and hate for the other?
